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[-] mint@beehaw.org 106 points 2 years ago

i want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and i'm not kidding

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same. Be cool if there was some kind of "ethically made, fair hours and wages for workers" seal of approval for games.

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[-] alwaysconfused@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago

After playing Battlefield 3 and feeling an indescribable emptyness for AAA games, I turned to indie developers. The desire for more profits can really suck the uniqueness and character from a game when it's designed for accessibility to as many people as possible.

Bonus points if the game supports modding. It's a great way to extend the life of a game as well. Some of my first online gaming memories are from Quake and it's modding scene. Even Sven Co-op is still developing their mod for Half-Life to this very year.

Games like that seem to have a bit more passion behind it which gives it a bit more charm. It's been a bit sad watching old titles milked dry throughout the years in the name of the mighty dollar. Unfortunately the struggle now is finding those gems in a sea of mediocrity as gaming became more mainstream.

[-] MRPP@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

I mean, look at Silica and compare it COD or Battlefield. Smaller indie project, supported by a bigger publisher and filled with heart. It looks like a dream game from when I was a kid.

Battlezone meets Starcraft.

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[-] communist@beehaw.org 67 points 2 years ago

This seems like this is going to be heavily counteracted by better engines, and AI generation.

I wonder how it'll play out though.

[-] Skelectus@suppo.fi 34 points 2 years ago

I think so too. The process of content creation will become more efficient. I hope it will allow companies to try new and weird things with less risk.

[-] communist@beehaw.org 25 points 2 years ago

It'll at the very least make indie studios capable of insane things.

[-] Skelectus@suppo.fi 12 points 2 years ago

That also. I've been keeping an eye on this kind of technology for my one person projects.

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[-] Kushan@beehaw.org 24 points 2 years ago

I think this has always been the case, though. Engines haven't just suddenly got better, they've been getting better and better for decades now. Some of those improvements give you features "out of the box" that you used to have to implement yourself. One of the reasons Unity became so popular with smaller developers is because it lets you focus on building your game - most of the tech is there, you've got an asset store for additional models, plugins, etc. so save you time but ultimately making a (good) game still takes time. Making a game is a very iterative process and a lot of the quality of a game these days is less to do with developing the engine and more to develop the mechanics of the game itself - the way your characters move, the responsiveness of the controls, the UI layout and so on. All of that stuff is hard to be given to you by an Engine, because it's specific to your game.

[-] Kaldo@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Exactly, we've been getting better engines, tools and educated game devs for the past decade too and it's what led to current situation. I don't think AI is going to help with anything, it will just result in more soulless cash grabs if it's used the same way ChatGPT has been lately.

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[-] jcg@halubilo.social 29 points 2 years ago

Who is setting this standard? Is the general gaming population really upset if the graphics of the new CoD or sportsgame iteration is not hyperrealistic?z

[-] Lols@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

this, i despise the focus on polygon and texture counts so goddamn much

games from a decade ago are still popular and still look good, can we please just focus on performance and actual mechanics

[-] query@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

And story/worldbuilding.

I don't want a game of a movie of a book, but I like when there are reasons behind the actions and choices.

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[-] communist@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

Eh, I think we're about to hit complete photorealism on those things without it mattering at all anyway

What we really need is easier access to assets.

[-] Master@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I want more games like valheim. Could care less about the graphic HD quality. Just give me a good game that looks good enough I can forget about my actual life for a while.

[-] academician@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Valheim took 4 years to make.

I work in gamedev. Even with simple graphics, making a successful game generally takes a lot of time to make. It's not just graphics. Design, writing, QA, art, console compliance, and a huge amount of engineering effort especially in multiplayer games. It takes time to get right. And we've all seen what happens when "AAA" games are released before they're ready just because a bean counter said they had to.

The blockbuster hits with simple graphics that a solo dev made in a few months are the exception, not the rule.

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[-] mauri9998@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I know, Tears of the Kingdom the most graphically intensive game of all time took 6 years to make. I bet they could have cranked out that bad boy out in like 3 years if they had just used the same graphics as Breath of the Wild

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

The time sink was probably in prototyping for new ideas to serve as the core of the game, then in generating content that would be considered innovative and fun for people to use that core with. Games are often a moving target where they need to try things that don’t work before finding ideas that will last.

[-] mauri9998@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Meaning that graphics really are not the reason for why games have such long development cycles at all.

[-] Crow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

They took an entire year for just polishing up the game. I’m sure everything else took great time too lol.

[-] Ralphensnitch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I suspect a lot of the development time was qa. A game that relies on physics takes a lot of work to get right, and an open world makes it way more open to things that go wrong.

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[-] thegameoverguy@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

I just want to know why everything has to be open world today. It seems like developers are just constantly increasing scope and making games almost too big now.

[-] Lund3@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago

I can assure you it's not the developers changing the scope...

[-] bigpphaver@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Easier level design. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of open world games just had their landscape generated and then slightly tweaked afterwards.

[-] Lols@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

we all know this is nonsense, right? like, the development cycles have gotten so long because theyve just decided that its better that way

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[-] dinodrinkstea@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago

So they will crunch developers more, pay them less and/or replace some of them with AI crap. That's why i only play indie gamesor put on my skull and crossbones patterned hat

[-] croobat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

We are getting to a point where development cycles are getting longer than some consoles lifetimes.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

GTA5 and TES5 were the two most popular games of the PS3/360 generation.

Despite that, there were no new Elder Scrolls or Grand Theft Auto games released for the entire 7 years that the PS4/XB1 generation lasted.

By the time Elder Scrolls 6 is out, baby Dovahkiin will probably be old enough to vote and die for his country.

[-] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I prefer quality over quantity, especially given the number of studios that are out there.

But if this just means we wait 7 years to get a Redfall, yeah.. no..

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Longer game development cycles for big-budget games are here to stay

Good! I’m sick to death of games being announced years before development starts, only for the company to crap out some half assed thing because they ran out of time.

Take the time that’s needed to make a good game.

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

Tbf we are already reaching diminishing returns with exponentially increasing the complexity of the game graphics (Polygon count) for some years now. For example, NFS Most Wanted 2012 still looks gorgeous to me to this day.

[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago

Style > Graphical fidelity If a game has good style and design, it's amazing how well it can hold up.

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[-] other_world@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

It was over a long time ago for me when I realized that most AAA games were all the same. Might as well wait until they're $20 anyway.

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[-] oryx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

This isn't really news anymore, and it's not exclusive to Microsoft studios. Many games come to mind, notably GTA/RDR off the top of my head (outside the obvious Bethesda titles, since everyone's more focused on them right now). GTA is also extremely close to the ten year mark between titles; RDR2 was eight years. These big, open world games have constantly been getting larger and taking more time to make for ages now.

[-] Repulsa@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

They get larger, have more features, content and better graphics but they don't seem to be getting any more fun to actually play

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[-] henry_rowengartner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just assumed that AAA are going to be online-only and jammed with macro-transactions.

COUGH Fallout76 COUGH GTA-Online

Cheers -Henry

[-] OdinoThePine@feddit.it 4 points 2 years ago

Yet they're the ones making a new flight simulator while everyone was expecting them to stick to the current one and make it better over time for at least 10 years (as Microsoft said)

[-] aski3252@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah I mean the trend has been obvious for years now, whether you look at GTA or Counterstrike. The times where you released a game, the game was now finished and you move to the next one are long over.

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