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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 105 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"We elected him once and our boat isn't flying!1! Why isn't he doing anything?!?" (/s)

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago

Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries. And he's risen to maybe middle-of-the-pack by his actions (that is to say, I wasn't expecting much, but I was mildly pleasantly surprised), compared to his 2020 peers. I'm not exactly his fucking fanboy, I just recognize that he's not a Republican fucking ghoul. But the way people seem to judge actions in complete ignorance of how our government works, or of how fucking byzantine the processes even just for passing, much less implementing, legislature is... it's exhausting, frustrating, and infuriating.

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 55 points 5 months ago

A little later:

"Okay SURE the boat is flying but as a strong leftist advocate I really think it's problematic how he's treated the underpaid people who build flying boat motors, and I think we need to focus more on what Biden should be doing better to convince me to vote for him against the hole-drilling-and-baby-punching club, because I think probably I'll sit this one out"

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Also "sure, the boat's flying now and we aren't drowning, but what we really need is to get to land, being in a boat doesn't even make sense. So I'm going to sit this one out because both parties want us in the boat. What's that? The other party's trying to sink the boat before we get to land? I don't care, it's about the principle of wanting to be on land!"

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 95 points 5 months ago

I can understand being unwilling to vote for Biden because he’s supporting genocide. That, taken by itself, is perfectly reasonable.

Why aren’t those otherwise intelligent, thoughtful people looking at the bigger picture, though?

Don’t they understand that under Trump, things will be much worse? What’s their moral rationale for allowing fascism to take over America, and empowering untold numbers of reprehensible people? I’m trying to understand, but I just don’t get it.

[-] Takeshidude@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago

They don't seem to understand that the Israel/Palestine situation is not on the ballot this November; does anyone actually think Trump would oppose Israel? Even if he personally wanted to, his supporters are all nominal Christians who would turn on him in an instant if he suddenly stopped supporting God's Chosen People.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They understand perfectly and that's why they're making it on the ballot. So what's it going to be: continue supporting genocide and lose votes or stop supporting genocide and gain votes? Seems like an obvious choice, but maybe you're too smart and understand too much over the masses you look down upon.

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[-] cammoblammo@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?

Can anyone explain to me how the Nazis and pro-Israel crowds seem to be so friendly at the moment? It’s almost like this has nothing to do with Israel.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?

Yes.

Antisemite support of Israel is very common, because antisemites:

  1. Have a lot of overlap with fundies, who believe that Israel MUST exist for the apocalypse to occur
  2. Enjoy the thought of an ethnostate where they can deport all the Jews to
  3. Hate Muslims more than Jews
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[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

If Democrats lose to Donald Trump, then it will be entirely their own fault. Progressives have said for years and years exactly what they want, but Democrats think it's much more important to appease the Trump voters than it is to appease us. Let's see how that pans out.

From my perspective it seems like Democrats are trying to lose.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The even bigger picture is the trend of things getting progressivelly worse even when Democrats are at the helm.

For example, it was Clinton that reppealed the Glass-Steagal Act which in turn led to hyperfinancialization and the 2008 Crash and it was Obama who chose to then save Asset owners in general (i.e. the Wealthy), unconditionally and on the backs of everybody else, leading to the slowest recovery from a Crash ever and all the imballances of the US Economy at the moment which as manifesting themselves as a complete total collapse in Social Mobility and rise of Inequality and Poverty.

Clearly electing Democrats doesn't improve things either.

The problem is of course that the US is not a Democracy (hence how there are only 2 carefully selected real options, which in this election are so bad that they're both hard Genocide supporters) so merelly voting for a President won't solve anything, and the only solution probably involves levels of political activism Americans aren't used to (one might even say they've been conditioned against it) such as General Strikes.

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 73 points 5 months ago

I would imagine the Dem looking at the Republican and say "don't do it again", then turn towards the non-voter and say "the boat is now repaired" and then sit down pleased with himself.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

You're not wrong. But I don't have much sympathy for people cheering on the boat sinking and everyone drowning because the Dems are a bunch of dumb, unimaginative, spineless twats.

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago
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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago

Where are the centrists giving the Republicans a drill and arguing that a just giving them a slight smaller drill bit then they requested is a good thing and the only way to keep the boat from sinking faster?

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The analogy from the cartoon is actually deeply flawed for the present situation; back about 10-15 years I think it was pretty accurate.

What it should be now, the best that I can make it out, is a pretty big boat that's in quite a bit of mechanical trouble to the point that there's a lot of unrest on board and it may not make it back to land and may get sunk by the next big storm. And, on board is:

Republicans actively drilling more holes, setting the engine on fire for some reason, stealing the flares and emergency beacon so they can sell them off to each other, shitting in the water supply, basically doing too many different bad things to even count or keep track of

A third of the people labeled with "Democrat" helping them, a third looking the other way or making vague attempts to tell them to stop, a third vigorously trying to stop them, sometimes with some level of success

Biden presiding over that whole process, and somehow producing some level of progress on the most critical of the problems, which is actually pretty shocking considering how fuckin insane the entire boat is at this point.

(Oh and also one of the Republicans has a handgun and keeps talking about how we need to shoot every single person on the boat who isn't a Republican, and a lot of the Republicans are agreeing with him and saying they should have handguns too)

A tiny handful of people who are actually trying to organize, work on problems, work out how we might be able to get to land, put together water distillation since we're running out, better system for choosing who's in charge, some genuine improvement to our situation.

And then, a certain body of people who are swearing they are actually part of that last group, but who spend 100% of their time saying they don't see any difference between Biden guy and handgun guy, and some of the other people were punching some of the last group, and anyway what about the water, no wait I meant what about the flares, he hasn't even done anything about the flares... just more or less a constant drumbeat of opposition with none of the forward movement that comes from the last group. And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn't that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you're ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.

That's still an oversimplification. But it seems somewhat more complete and accurate than the cartoon. My man: Start talking about ranked choice voting. Start talking about joining Extinction Rebellion. If you want to do better than Biden, fuckin do it, it sounds great. But saying that letting Trump win this particular election is anything other than the end of the world, is just lying.

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[-] hark@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

Hey democrats, try plugging the hole.

[-] theareciboincident@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is honestly the perfect microcosm of liberal thought. Just continuously posting low effort shitposts that literally state in the meme how ineffective and in-bed with fascists liberals are.

We have OP coming into the comments acting like a holier than thou liberal, repeating the same vapid bullshit over and over.

Meanwhile, Democrats just keep dumping one little bucket at a time as the boat gets lower and lower while screaming in tears at the guy trying to find the fucking life raft.

“And fuck no, I’m not voting for you in November”

Liberals in fucking hysterics throwing a tantrum about why leftists comprising 1% of the vote don’t like their blue MAGA instead of targeting the 60% republican vote with actual popular policy

Lmao fuck liberals, y’all deserve to lose.

“There is no genocide in Gaza”

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 22 points 5 months ago

It's the over-the-top sarcasm and insincere indignation that galls me

Then they'll inevitably try claiming that yea, it'd be nice if we had someone with better politics but NOW'S NOT THE TIME TO MAKE A FUSS

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago

This would more realistic if Dems were just watching the boat sink. They wouldn't be helping at all. They are perfectly fine with state violence on college protesters, why would they try to save anyone on a boat lol? They would just say you'll be drowning faster if you pick the other guy.

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[-] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 37 points 5 months ago

The dems would be drilling more holes, just with a slightly smaller drill bit

[-] coolusername@lemmy.ml 37 points 5 months ago

Stop the vote blue no matter who spam

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

He's physically incapable.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Brandon 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth. The fascists must be made to suffer.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

The boat has been sinking my entire life.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

The only thing its missing is Biden being down in the deep end of the boat drilling more holes.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago
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[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Just saying PugJesus you're fighting the good anti propaganda fight over here. The thread is rife with em.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

Lol this post is literally neoliberal propaganda.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Why aren't the libs doing anything about pedophiles?

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[-] audiomodder 26 points 5 months ago

This might have been true in the past, but Biden has been too busy putting rainbow stickers on the outside of the boat to use a bucket.

I’m not saying the recognition is bad, but ffs actually try to plug the holes. He was elected basically saying “I’m not going to make things worse” and he’s barely kept that promise. Don’t know why people thought he would actually make things better

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago

And here is the part where I can list point after point of actually good things Biden has done, and the response will inevitably be "Well, it doesn't matter that he's done all of that, because I don't FEEL like he's done enough."

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[-] III@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

We all know where you are in the boat.

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[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 26 points 5 months ago

This is not very accurate, at least one of the dems would either argue with the republican and none voters, about it being their fault, or drill a bigger hole.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

The reason this meme works is that it's vague. If you zero in on a specific issue, you usually find the Dems helped drill the holes. Mass incarceration? Biden and Clinton led the charge on the largest expansion of prison-industrial complex in my lifetime. 2008 financial collapse? Clinton eliminated Glass-Steagall, which allowed banks to bundle and sell mortgages-backed securities. Iraq and Afghanistan? Bush may have started the wars, but Obama not only failed to end them, he created an unaccountable drone assassination program that killed thousands of civilians. Biden is rescheduling Marijuana, and that's great, but he also co-sponsored anti-drug legislation in '86 and '88 that gave us draconian mandatory minimums. Are we gonna pretend he didn't drill that hole?

Anyway, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend the parties are the same; the Republicans have been complete ghouls for my entire life, and now they're fascist ghouls. But let's not pretend that the Democrats are just well meaning idealists fighting against the Republicans and apathetic voters. They've done plenty to help sink the ship.

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[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago

Accurate. No extra bucket, alleged "non-voters" guy isn't actually refusing to grab one, he just looks smug and isn't praising the Democrats. Dems aren't doing enough, boat's still going to sink. Democrats decided to bring two buckets instead of getting rid of the drill or the Republican. If "non-voters" guy stopped balancing the weight and came over to pat the Dems on the back like they want him to, they would just slide to the right and push their end of the boat under without having to wait for the hole to do it.

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