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[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 140 points 1 year ago

On the one hand, I hope he loses.

On the other hand, I hope Meta also loses.

Something tells me we are the ones who lose.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

And on the brain... Worms!

[-] breakingcups@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Regardless, the lawyers win.

[-] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I am the one who walks away from Omelas.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers"

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

The brain worm is up to something...

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

There is no freedom of speech guarantee in private or public enterprise. Only government.

Yet another tool that uses “freedom of speech” incorrectly to basically mean “I want to force people to listen to my bullshit.” How these people running for office don’t get the first amendment is amazing.

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yet another tool that uses “freedom of speech” incorrectly

Often freedom of speech is a moral ideal, a moral aspiration, and dismissing it on legal grounds is missing the point.

If I say "people should have a right to healthcare", and you respond "people do not have a legal right to healthcare", you are correct, but you have missed the point. If I say people should have freedom of speech and you respond that the first amendment doesn't apply to Facebook, you are right, but have again missed the point.

In general, when people advocate for any change, they can be countered with "well, the law doesn't require that". Yes, society currently works the way the law says it should. But what we're talking about is how society should work and how the law should change.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Okay, but you don't win lawsuits based on how the law ought to be

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

That’s lovely, and I appreciate the sentiment. It doesn’t change the fact that someone abuses the term in order to force others to listen to BS. I’m not opposed to the ideal, I am opposed to the expectation that people have a right to make you listen to them.

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[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The thing is people shouldnt have that level of "freedom of speech"

No one is above reproach.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

There is no freedom of speech guarantee in private or public enterprise.

And the consequence of this policy is a back-door path to censorship. A combination of surveillance, selective-admittance, and media saturation allow certain ideological beliefs to suffice the "marketplace of ideas" while others are silenced.

“I want to force people to listen to my bullshit.”

Its more that privatized media infrastructure allows for a monopolization of speech.

Big media companies still force people to listen to bullshit, by way of advertising and algorithmic promotion. Go on YouTube, click through their "recommended" list a few times, and you'll quickly find yourself watching some Mr. Beast episode or PraegerU video, simply because these folks have invested so heavily in self-promotion.

But there's a wide swath of content you won't see, either because YouTube's algorithm explicitly censors it for policy reasons, because the media isn't maxing out the SEO YouTube execs desire (the classic Soy Face thumbnail for instance), or because you're not spending enough money to boost visibility.

This has nothing to do with what the generic video watcher wants to see and everything to do with what YouTube administration wants that watcher to see.

RFK Jr is a nasty little freak with some very toxic beliefs. But that's not why he's struggling to get noticed on the platform, when plenty of other nasty freaks with toxic beliefs get mainstream circulation.

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[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Really don't need to hear anything coming from this guy. It's always batshit crazy and it's a waste of time.

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

I remember seeing be was a guest on Rogan and thinking, "Oh, wow. I guess I'll listen to Rogan again this one time to hear a Kennedy talking."

Turns out it was right on fucking brand for Rogan.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It’s always hilarious to read and worth a laugh imo

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Shadow banning is definitely too much imo. It's simply unethical no matter how you look at it.

First, it doesn't do anything to prevent bots. It takes less than a second for a bot to check whether they are shadow banned. It's simply a tool to bully and gaslight people - just block them. Why these abusive games?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IDK, I think it can be an effective tool against trolls because it wastes the time they'd otherwise spend harassing people.

But that's not what RFK is, he's a legitimate candidate for president and should be given the same consideration other candidates are, not shadowbanned because someone doesn't like his message.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Effectiveness is irrelevant here. Breaking troll's kneecaps would be very effective too.

This mental manipulation and gaslighting has no place in our society. We're literally suffering the consequences of this right now.

[-] kn98@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

Could you name an example of those consequences?

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[-] _lilith@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Man talking to himself accuses company of action they are allowed to perform

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Let them fight. I want a discovery on this

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I’m betting this gets dismissed before discovery

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

You can't get elected without big tech bribes, and he just bit the hand that feeds.

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

It’s ok. He can’t get elected anyway

[-] ours@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

He'll never recover after the death of his running mate: VP Brain Worm.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, VP Brain Worm laid eggs.

[-] Buttons@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, because Americans would never consider electing a President with health issues.

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[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does everyone hate Bobby Kennedy so much that they’ll side with Facebook and Zuckerberg over a career environmental attorney because he’s running for president?

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 71 points 1 year ago

He's an unhinged anti-vaxxer and all around conspiracy theorist. Summarizing him as an environmental lawyer is being real generous.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

“Let’s imagine: It’s time to elect a world leader, and your vote counts. Which would you choose:

“Candidate A: Associates with ward healers and consults with astrologists; has had two mistresses; chain-smokes and drinks eight to ten martinis a day.

“Candidate B: Was kicked out of office twice; sleeps until noon; used opium in college; drinks a quart of brandy every evening.

“Candidate C: Is a decorated war hero, a vegetarian, doesn’t smoke, drinks an occasional beer, and has had no illicit love affairs.

“Which of these candidates is your choice? You don’t really need any more information, do you? Candidate A is Franklin Roosevelt. Candidate B is Winston Churchill. Candidate C is Adolf Hitler.”

Biased and selective comparisons can prove anything.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Okay, but he also has admitted to have decreased cognitive function and memory problems because of the brain worms. I don't think that it's a horrible bias to say that people who have decreased cognitive function and memory problems because of brain worms probably shouldn't be president.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

I agree, the statement earlier was another example. RFK is a terrible choice for many reasons (the worms thing is almost certainly bullshit though). But everyone has some good qualities you can focus on if you want to promote them. Similarly, everyone has bad qualities if that's your M.O.

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[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

No, because he’s actually quite mad and belongs nowhere near any kind of power. I can see his conspiracy theories appealing to the Q type, but most of them are going to go for Trump. He’s polling this highly because he’s an unknown. As more people start paying attention to who he actually is, he will be the Herman Cain of the race.

[-] Nobody@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Would you agree that Bobby Kennedy would draw more voters from Trump as it stands?

A “conspiracy theorist” is rejected on the left until government-sanctioned evidence is provided. The right doesn’t have that constraint.

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[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

According to Kennedy, Meta is colluding with the Biden administration to sway the 2024 presidential election by suppressing Kennedy's documentary and making it harder to support Kennedy's candidacy. This allegedly has caused "substantial donation losses," while also violating the free speech rights of Kennedy, his supporters, and his film's production company, AV24.

In this case, Meta and the Biden administration are claimed to be co-conspirators colluding to block citizens from promoting their favorite presidential candidate.

We can very much dislike both while also agreeing that this is fucking stupid. While we continue to very much dislike both, one is clearly in the wrong on this issue and pointing out the sheer stupidity of Kennedy’s actions is not “siding” with Zuckerberg.

I don’t care what his profession is/was - he’s wrong and it would be disingenuous to give him a pass because he did a thing at some point in his life that I agreed with.

[-] glouriousgouda@lemmy.myserv.one 17 points 1 year ago

I don't think anyone "hates" him. He's just an absurd human that no one takes seriously. And we all agree we have much more dire things to discuss than what rich white people are calling managers about now.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 10 points 1 year ago

Nah he's great. He should take the rest of those brain worms, I think the worms should be in charge!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Worms/Kennedy 2024!

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Meta is a private company and can do whatever the fuck they like.

This guy shouldn't be let anywhere near a position of decision making, let alone the highest office in the nation.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Private companies should not be able to do whatever the fuck they like. They have a very important responsibility, and they will not consider ethics over profit, unless we as a society force them to.

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[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

He could have been a great dude but he just HAD to go down the antivax rabbit hole. Fuckin’ shame.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

Real life Connor Roy soldiers bravely on.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago
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