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[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 116 points 1 year ago

Best part is portuguese, it seems kids in Portugal are now speaking with a brazilian accent because most Portuguese videos on youtube/tiktok are made by brazilians lol get reverse colonized suckers

[-] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 30 points 1 year ago

For quite a while, brasil was the metropolis and Portugal the colony (as the Royal family moved to Rio).

[-] deus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Thank you, Napoleon.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really (source: am a Portuguese currently living in Portugal).

Kids here can immitate a Brasilian accent, and so can many if not most adults, because maybe 4 decades ago Brasilian soap operas became all the rage in Portuguese TV, but they don't go around normally speaking with a Brasilian accent.

Then again I can immitate a number of US regional accents (well enough to fool Brits) and a number of British regional accents (well enough to fool Americans) when speaking English, but that's not at all the same as generally speaking with that accent (though, having lived over a decade in London, my English language accent tends towards RP English, also because I actually made an effort to make my speech easier for locals to understand, rather than the confusing Portuguese/Dutch/American/RP accent I tended to have when speaking English in lazy mode).

There are a lot of Brasilians in Portugal (about 3% of the population, not counting those who got Portuguese nationality which they can after 5 years without having to give up their Brasilian nationality) and that also includes a lot of kids, so of those kids the ones who came here when they were already 5 years old or older would speak with a Brasilian accent.

In my own experience living in several countries and learning their language, which included picking up their accent, you don't get the accent of the speech you're exposed to a small part of the time, you pick up the one you're exposed to most of the time, so for example my Dutch has an Amsterdam accent and I didn't at all try to pick it up, I just lived there and that's what I heard most of the time from those I spoke with.

[-] Norbas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

epa calmex, pra q tanto paragrafo

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

É pró pessoal de lá fora.

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

https://exame.com/casual/criancas-portuguesas-estao-falando-como-brasileiros-entenda-por-que/

Maybe the kids you know don't, but there are certainly some, unless you know every kid in your country, then you are 100% right

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The article says they're "speaking like brasilians" in the title and then in the text says that's them using a few words from Brasilian Portuguese (giving examples), which is nothing new (my generation also picked up words from it because of soap operas and I'm in my 50s) and isn't at all the same as "speaking with a Brasilian accent", something which as I explained from my own experience has way higher criteria of exposure to actually happen.

It sounds a lot like a Pearl Clutching article from the original source of those "news", the Diário De Noticias newspaper which is very old and conservative.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Outta here with your dirty FACTS AND LOGIC!

[-] Dagnet@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well sure, let me change from accent to dialect and the post is still the same for all that is worth

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's still not dialect.

It's merelly a few words.

The whole thing is a storm in a teacup from a conservative newspaper.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Honestly I find the British accent really hard to understand. On tv anyway.

[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago

Which British accent? Westcountry or Scouse, you probably have a point.

[-] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago

See this is the problem.

[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Any thick accent is hard to understand really. And in almost all parts of the UK there are people with thick accents.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

And then you go live the UK, realize that tv uses only a small subset of British accents, and sometimes find yourself wondering “Huh I wonder what language that is?” only to realize it was English 20 minutes after the fact

[-] cfi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] bamboo 2 points 1 year ago

The greater good

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I have to turn on captions sometimes

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Go ahead, flex not using captions all the time.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which British accent?

There's the "standard" called RP (for Received Pronounciation) also known as the BBC English, there's the rich people's accent (yeah, rich people in Britain have their own accent) known as Posh English, then there is a poor/working class Londoner accent called Cockney Accent (which outside Britain you often hear in TV series taking place in working class London neighbourhoods or when showing poor people in 19th century London), then there are a number of regional ones just in England (though those are harder to explicitly recognize if you're a foreigner, even if for example you can tell that somebody from Manchester has an accent different from somebody from Essex), then there are the other nations of Britain (Scotland, Wales, Northern-Ireland) which themselves have one or more accents each (I know for sure Scotland has more than one accent since I can notice the difference).

Mind you, I only know this because I lived there for over a decade.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

American English is closer to what English used to sound like than modern British English.

[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

At what point in time? the language is nearly 1400 years old.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The way it sounded in the 1700s or so, specifically.

[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Okay. Do you have a source on that? Be interested to see how they could confirm that

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

There's no source, it's nonsense made up by a journalist

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[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That's absolute horseshit made up by a journalist on a slow news day, by the way

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Search anything about how the modern American accent compares to older English. Here's an example.

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Owlcation.com (wtf?) is not a source

Could you supply us with a proper one?

(Answer is "no" by the way)

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago

British English is not some monolith and was less homogeneous than it even is now at the time many were coming to the Americas. If this were true it would only be true for a particular region. English outside of the UK also diverged as it no longer followed trends happening there, and regional variations went in sometimes different directions.

Even within the US, English isn't super homogeneous. Look at Appalachian compared to California or someplace. Parts of Louisiana have unique features from Accadian and influence from Spanish.

[-] holgersson@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Really? I thought this was only the case with Quebecois and French

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[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

"French" Canadian got off lightly on this on then?

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

Even Canadians know they are the ones who sound funny.

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I suspect the majority of British will admit their version of English is trash

[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Based on what? Your experience of never leaving your state?

[-] stingpie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know about that guy, but I used to have a speech impediment that meant I couldn't pronounce the letter R. I went to several speech therapists, so I started to annunciate every other letter, but that made people think I had a British accent. Anyway, I eventually learned how to say R, so now I have a speech impediment that makes me sound like a British person doing a fake American accent.

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