Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.
Edit: Comments are reopened.
Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible
Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
Nobody here is telling women what not to wear though. "You are doing the same like thlse forcing a hijab?" jose1324 isn't killing people for wearing them
By saying "fuck that this gesture is possible" the conclusion is that it shouldn't, which means that women wouldn't wear hijab in the first place. But as they choose to do so, that means infringing on their choice.
And it should be very telling that in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.
No, nothing about what Jose said implies that they wouldn't want women to be allowed to wear a hijab. This gesture is possible because Islam forces women to keep their head covered when they're around men. If they were allowed to uncover their head around men, then this gesture would hold no weight.
in places like Iran women face repression if they want to not wear hijab, and the western countries working towards the opposite sentiment of repression for wearing hijab.
Stop making these stupid comparisons. Iran imprisons women if they choose not to wear hijabs. Western countries offer women the option not to.
There is bans of hijabs in many places. A few years back France infamously banned wearing them to the beaches and arrested women for refusing it.
Earlier this month a women in Germany was banned from court service for refusing to take of her hijab. The EU court ruled that banning women from wearing scarfes in the work place is legal, if it is embedded in a "neutrality policy"
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/24/muslim-women-struggle-with-germanys-hijab-ban-in-workplaces
It is not on the same level like in Iran, but as i said they are moving towards it, step by step.
Fuck right off. Not being allowed on a beach or to work in jobs that necessitate no favor towards any particular groups is not the same as being fucking tortured and imprisoned.
Which i never said. But this is the direction we are heading, if we don't stop it know. If you take a care to look at history you will see that repression never was just flipped on and off. It is always a gradual shift and it needs to be stopped in the beginning and every increase of repressions need to be seen in the context that there is a threat of it worsening. And oh boy will it be worsening with the current traction of fascist and far right politicians in the West.
This is the same reason why we need to defend all marginalized groups and their rights and not be selective. If it becomes more okay to repress Muslims more, it will become more okay to repress LGBT more again. It will become more okay to repress Black and Brown people more again and it will become more okay to repress Jewish people more again.
Secular state is as bad as theocratic state, gotcha, hope you'll get your gold medal this summer.
If secular doesn't mean to separate state and religion but to suppress freedom of religion then absolutely yes. Because a theocratic state is doing just the same.
Also it is always ironic when states claim to be "secular" while having christian holidays as public holidays because "culture".
It's impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don't decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike
"Choose" is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it's a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it's a theocratic country, it's a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and "choosing" to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.
Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.
Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it's not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.
Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding "no."
Religious views of trans people in Iran are particularly interesting. Though it is an Islamic theocracy where being gay is explicitly against the law, being trans is narrowly accepted. Gender reassignment surgery is legal and formal gender recognition after the procedure is supported by the theocracy. The fact that being gay is potentially punishable by death can lead to people choosing gender reassignment rather than execution. The government's strict belief that there are no sexual minorities in the country leads to an oddly absolute acceptance of the gender of trans people.
This reminds me of Japan. I've not confirmed this myself, but it jives with my understanding of the culture. Binary trans people are generally less 'disruptive' to society and less of a perceived 'problem' to the mainstream because hey we can fit you into a box and its associated social roles. They really like their boxes and roles. But if you are queer in other more visible ways, like gay people trying to get married or be accepted socially, then that gets frowned upon for upsetting the apple cart.
Forgive my ignorance but can anyone explain what happened in this interraction?
It would be against Islam for a woman to show herself (without a head covering) to a man she wasn’t married/related to. This isn’t true for woman and other woman. This person is trans and their friend treated them, through religious tradition, that she accepts her friend as a woman.
Which means, in effect, that their friend is saying "My belief that you are truly a woman is at least as strong as my belief in my god," which is an incredibly powerful way to validate someone's identity.
"male attendants with no desire" are also accepted, although I suspect that refers to eunuchs.
A wholesome exchange based on the intersection of trans acceptance and religious misogyny!
I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven't heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I'd like to know more.
In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they'll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.
Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.
Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it's better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.
many gay people are pressured to transition
Made me imagine the awkward situation where two gay people transitioned to be able to legally find a match, and found each other.
I wonder what her Imam would say to that.
Heaven forbid... are you implying that Muslim people perhaps aren't a brainwashed monolith that simply accepts anything spoken by those in authority?
Say it isn't so!
That's a beautiful story. Love it.
Love it!!!
And everyone in the coffee shop stood up and applauded, i.e., this never happened.
You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
Things that didn't happen for $100, Ryan.
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