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[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 140 points 7 months ago

The government should never be allowed to put its own citizens to death. The government is not infallible. The government has put innocent people to death.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 75 points 7 months ago

The same government can't even be trusted to reliably fix a pothole.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Boomer humor. Government did something imperfect or not to MY personal standards therefore the whole thing is shit. Hahahahhahahahahaha aren't I funny?

/s

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

No, the whole thing really is shit.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Feel free to go live off the grid and no longer enjoy all the everyday qualities of life that are a result of government that you take for granted.

If your spouse or child were imperfect would you also toss them in the trash?

[-] DriftinGrifter 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

this is such a fucking strawman holy shit

Edit: just looked through your comment history, honestly you should probably live off the grid you are a net negative to society

[-] Nutteman@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

That edit tho

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[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago
[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

How's it feel to me the old man screeching about the way elvis moves his hips.

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[-] ImADifferentBird 21 points 7 months ago

Nah, boomers love the death penalty. Which seems paradoxical, considering how they hate government.

[-] tiefling 3 points 7 months ago

Because conservatives view government as a cudgel rather than a social net

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 86 points 7 months ago

Regardless of the method of execution, imagine knowing the exact date and time of your death and knowing nothing you could do would stop it. That is torture, plain and simple. It should be in violation of the eighth amendment.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 70 points 7 months ago

Consider Japan, who does it differently. Death row inmates in Japan are not told their execution dates, as they had issues with people committing suicide before they could be executed. So now they only find out with just a few hours of notice when they're going to be executed. You could be sitting in your cell, ten years into your sentence, enjoying an otherwise ordinary, quiet day in prison, only to be told that it's time to die, whether you're ready for it or not, the equipment and staff are already prepared and there's no time left to argue your case.

Honestly, I don't know which one is "better". They're both cruel in their own ways.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 57 points 7 months ago

The better one is no death penalty at all.

[-] digdug@kbin.social 33 points 7 months ago

"Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Or is it cruel to make someone wake up and ask "is this the day that I will die?"

[-] PineRune@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

It's been ruled that a punishment needs to be BOTH cruel AND unusual, to qualify as a violation. One or the other is fine, as long as it's not both. Scalping someone for petty theft would be okay as long as most-everyone convicted got scalped.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

In this specific case, I wouldn't call it usual and it certainly is cruel.

I would also argue that, since it is not applied evenly in any way and that only a minority of people get the death penalty, even though some people who don't get it have committed worse crimes, it is always unusual. Usual is prison for some length of time, possibly life.

I would also add that SCOTUS found it both cruel and unusual at one point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furman_v._Georgia

Then it was reinstated in Gregg v. Georgia because SCOTUS claimed that some states met some arbitrary criteria they didn't actually meet.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I feel like if they fuck it up your sentence it should be commuted. They shouldn't get a do-over.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 16 points 7 months ago

It's not the case here, but fuckups tend to happen when the person is morbidly obese and therefore a vein can't be found.

Not making a point one way or another, just sharing a bit of information. This is a problem in the medical field as well.

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 17 points 7 months ago

I used to think people stay years on death row. Are you saying you can stay morbidly obese on prison food?

[-] pickman_model@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I believe that photograph is from 1999 when he got arrested. He was sentenced to death in 2000, so that's over 20 years waiting. And yes, obesity is becoming a problem inside prisons too (prisonlegalnews.org).

[-] PineRune@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Not sure about death row, but many prisons have a commissary where you can buy junk food with personal funds either brought in with you from the outside or transferred from friends and family outside. Some people don't get fat -until- they go to prison.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 69 points 7 months ago

If you survive one execution I don't think they should be allowed a do over, let him live in his cell, he earned it.

[-] Glowstick@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

I've heard (don't know if it's true) that in the old days if you survived a hanging then you were allowed to live

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 25 points 7 months ago

I'd always heard the sentence 'hung by the neck until dead' was taken literally: If you survived the drop, you're just gonna be hanging there longer. The result is the same.

[-] KAYDUBELL@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

I’m gonna be pedantic for a second, hanged* not “hung”

[-] MagicShel@programming.dev 15 points 7 months ago

"... and they was right!"

[-] tiefling 8 points 7 months ago
[-] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[-] KAYDUBELL@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

You never know 😉

[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The law/sentence was actually changed after a Scottish woman survived being hanged resulting in this specific wording. There was a time when people did survive and were freed.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

I think that rule applied to the guillotine. If the blade stopped on the way down it was considered an act of god or some such.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago

I think there was a case somewhere that the prisoner was sentenced to death, and was executed ina fashion that didn't quite work.

But technically he did die for a minute or two before his heart restarted, and he sued to be released from prison because he technically served his sentence.

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[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

I agree. You get one try to execute, you fail? To bad.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 64 points 7 months ago

Abolish capital punishment. Freaking primitive apes.

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 64 points 7 months ago

Death penalty needs to go.

[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 35 points 7 months ago
[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I can’t think of a time in human history where we weren’t barbaric.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t change but I sure a fuck don’t see it happening anytime soon.

[-] card797@champserver.net 13 points 7 months ago

Don't they have bullets? Gassing people seems very cruel and unusual. Being shot is not unusual.

I'm not pro-death penalty, but if it's going to be done at least get the shit right.

[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I always wondered why they don't just drain their blood until they die. Seems like the most painless and easiest way to do it.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Keep it Classy Alabama

[-] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I mean, a bullet to the head generally kills people very quickly and relatively painlessly.

[-] scoobford@lemmy.zip 8 points 7 months ago

It's about making it more palatable for observers.

Lethal injection was much, much less humane than the guillotine, but it wasn't as pretty so that's what we switched to.

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