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[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Never underestimate the blood thirst and deeply racist views of people who rationalize the mass slaughter of women and children, of ethnic cleansing. The world is seeing it more clearly now. Israel has had an incredibly successful run of dehumanization propaganda going back decades, until now.

Israel’s Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession

Israelis speak candidly to reporter about Palestinians.

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[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

I knew a handful of Jewish students who did Birthright when they were in college. There was always two reactions when they returned "Wow that was awesome!" Or "Wow, that was some bizarre shit". Seems like nearly half the people would come back very radicalized. Literally had a suite mate who went there who previously had no opinion of Palestinians that went to "all Palestinians should be removed"

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Nah, crimes against humanity don't apply to US allies

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Man if only Hamas actually cared about Palestinians

[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 9 months ago

You made your account a day ago and starts making comments like this. An ignorant comment that refuses to acknowledge 75 years of horrible history.

Can’t help but think you are either a troll or a random Israeli supporter. Well, I suppose, I’ll just block you immediately.

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[-] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 51 points 9 months ago

Yeah, they should really stop killing their own people. Over 30,000 Palestinians, many of them children, dead at the hands of Hamas!

Good thing Israel's there to stop this horrible genocide and restore order.

/s

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

For real though, Netanyahu is hamas

[-] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Honestly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if, in the inevitable Israel Nuremberg Trials, it comes out that the Israeli government intentionally instigated or even carried out the October 7 attack in order to generate sympathy and as a pretext for its genocide.

[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Doesn't seem that far fetched tbh

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[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Well he probably is making the biggest advertising for them in their history. No matter how this war ends, there will be thousands of people with a grudge against Israel.

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[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hiding amongst civilians is a dirty thing after you start a war you can’t win, I know

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 42 points 9 months ago

"Mr. President, the terrorists have taken hostages. What should we do?" "Bomb the building." -A psychopath

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I’m not in charge of Israeli military policy, and im not here to justify their actions. But maybe Hamas should have considered the extent of retaliation when they started a war with them by murdering 1200 innocents.

That was my whole point. By starting a war with Israel, they clearly had very little to zero consideration for the Palestinian people.

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 months ago

Hamas are not murdering innocents anymore. Israel is. Continually. Unyielding. With glee.

But it doesn't matter what Hamas is doing, did, or will do. It's all political pretense anyway. If it wasn't that it would be something else. Israel wanted to cleanse the area finally and take over, and this seemed like a good excuse as any to rile up the zombie masses and rally them around the genocide campfire. You're falling for it. You're part of the problem.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My argument is that if Hamas actually cared about “their people”, they wouldn’t have started a war against a much stronger enemy who has proven to have very little care for causing civilian loss.

The “if it wasn’t this, it would have happened anyway” is a big assumption that nobody will be able to prove one way or the other

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

75 years of history proves that Israel did, is and will continue to murder Palestinians. Nobody is assuming anything.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Israel has been committing ethnic cleansing and other atrocities since it was invented. Hamas didn’t show up until decades after the Nakba.

[-] mycathas9lives@mstdn.plus 3 points 9 months ago

@NovaPrime @slurpinderpin

|seemed like a good excuse as any|

Hamas attacked Israel. I hardly think there needs to be much more of an excuse. They will continue Genociding until they feel safe or satisfied.

I wouldn't have attacked them October 7th, but that's just me.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Hamas attacked Israel? Zionists stole Palestine, committing a continuously ongoing campaign of terror and ethnic cleansing against Palestinians. Palestinians have a human right to self defense against the occupiers, of which October 7th was a valid example.

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[-] grte@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You are literally justifying their actions. Justifying the murder of well over 30 thousand.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

No, my argument is that if Hamas actually cared about “their people”, they wouldn’t have started a war against a much stronger enemy who has proven to have very little care for causing civilian loss.

I’m not justifying Israel’s actions

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You are putting the responsibility for those murders entirely on Hamas rather than the government currently perpetrating them, thus justifying that government's actions. You could have just as easily made your opening comment, "Man, if only Israel cared about international law." Please stop insulting my intelligence.

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

What should israel have done after Oct 7?

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Taken a step back and considered how they got where they did, and determine what steps could be taken for a long term peace. Well, I guess they did that but decided their path to peace involved killing every last Palestinian, a final solution if you will.

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[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Actually, about 300-400 of those were military and not civilians.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And many of the civilians were killed by the IDF, not Hamas. We don’t have an exact figure because Israel refuses any investigation into the matter.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Hamas should totally live in IDF cities. You make a good point.

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 34 points 9 months ago

Get out of here with your bullshit.

Hamas agreed to the terms of a ceasefire. Israel is the one pushing forward with the extermination of children and civilians.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That says Hamas agreed to a proposal put forward by Egypt and Qatar, Israel hasn't agreed to it yet. There were a number of proposals before this one Israel agreed to that Hamas rejected. It seems to be a challenge to find a proposal both can accept.

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[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Man you’re completely missing my point. Maybe I just made the point poorly.

If I’m a lot weaker than my bully, and my bully absolutely hates my guts, I’m not going to go and pick a fight with them, because it will give them all the justification they need to beat my brains in.

I understand that Israelis hate Palestinians. That’s exactly why Hamas going and starting this war was the absolute worst thing they could’ve possibly done, if they truly cared about the Palestinian people. It gave Israel all the justification they needed to kill tens of thousands. That’s it. Not saying the justification is right, but it opened the door

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Why didn’t the Palestinians just tell them to stop. 🛑

/s

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