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[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I’m not in charge of Israeli military policy, and im not here to justify their actions. But maybe Hamas should have considered the extent of retaliation when they started a war with them by murdering 1200 innocents.

That was my whole point. By starting a war with Israel, they clearly had very little to zero consideration for the Palestinian people.

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 months ago

Hamas are not murdering innocents anymore. Israel is. Continually. Unyielding. With glee.

But it doesn't matter what Hamas is doing, did, or will do. It's all political pretense anyway. If it wasn't that it would be something else. Israel wanted to cleanse the area finally and take over, and this seemed like a good excuse as any to rile up the zombie masses and rally them around the genocide campfire. You're falling for it. You're part of the problem.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My argument is that if Hamas actually cared about “their people”, they wouldn’t have started a war against a much stronger enemy who has proven to have very little care for causing civilian loss.

The “if it wasn’t this, it would have happened anyway” is a big assumption that nobody will be able to prove one way or the other

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

75 years of history proves that Israel did, is and will continue to murder Palestinians. Nobody is assuming anything.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Israel has been committing ethnic cleansing and other atrocities since it was invented. Hamas didn’t show up until decades after the Nakba.

[-] mycathas9lives@mstdn.plus 3 points 9 months ago

@NovaPrime @slurpinderpin

|seemed like a good excuse as any|

Hamas attacked Israel. I hardly think there needs to be much more of an excuse. They will continue Genociding until they feel safe or satisfied.

I wouldn't have attacked them October 7th, but that's just me.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Hamas attacked Israel? Zionists stole Palestine, committing a continuously ongoing campaign of terror and ethnic cleansing against Palestinians. Palestinians have a human right to self defense against the occupiers, of which October 7th was a valid example.

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You are literally justifying their actions. Justifying the murder of well over 30 thousand.

[-] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

No, my argument is that if Hamas actually cared about “their people”, they wouldn’t have started a war against a much stronger enemy who has proven to have very little care for causing civilian loss.

I’m not justifying Israel’s actions

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You are putting the responsibility for those murders entirely on Hamas rather than the government currently perpetrating them, thus justifying that government's actions. You could have just as easily made your opening comment, "Man, if only Israel cared about international law." Please stop insulting my intelligence.

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

What should israel have done after Oct 7?

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Taken a step back and considered how they got where they did, and determine what steps could be taken for a long term peace. Well, I guess they did that but decided their path to peace involved killing every last Palestinian, a final solution if you will.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Actually, about 300-400 of those were military and not civilians.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And many of the civilians were killed by the IDF, not Hamas. We don’t have an exact figure because Israel refuses any investigation into the matter.

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