Pretty much.

Maybe I'm some rare unicorn. But I have NEVER successfully got a job filling out forms like this. It's a huge waste of my time.

And they can't do that with a resume? Most things seem to be able to do that automatically these days (fill out forms with info from a resume that is); just the not damned employer.

Also, it's hard for a computer to parse a resume, and most of this stuff runs through a computer before a human sees it, so filling a form makes sure the data is correct.

You also don't have to worry about corrupted or unsupported files.

The fact that you have people that know nothing about the technical requirements of the role means you have an idiot deciding on whether or not you fit. Your chances are crippled from the get go.

These are red flags to me. This is just a tip of the iceberg and a great indicator as to how dysfunctional the company is.

If you’re THAT detached from the hiring process then you’ll never find a good candidate because you don’t know what a good candidate is.

All that means is that if you some how manage to get hired you’ll be working with idiots that can’t do their job because they were hired by an idiot.

Me too. The only jobs I apply to are ones I really want (obviously), so doing this just hurts my chances of getting them.

But I absolutely hate this bullshit.

K so....don't hire them?

I don't have it on mine. I finished high school (college) 20 years ago. There are way more relevant things to put in my resume than that.

Why do you even need to know my high-school?

Sorry to say but you hiring managers don’t know jack shit about hiring people. You have zero clue as to what qualifies an employee. Always asking the wrong questions.

The reason why corporations have a hard time finding talent isn’t because a lack of talent. It’s because the hiring process is a joke. But then you’ll complain that no one wants to work anymore.

The amount of top talent you toss into the bin because you don’t know what questions to is staggering.

Truly abysmal.

Why do you need to know where I went to school if I have years of job experience showing that I can do the job? Education seems only to matter if someone is newly graduated and without real-world experience. And high school? Wtf?!

then why ask for both things? just have a checkbox to indicate that the information is in the resumé, and if it isn't then obviously they shouldn't be hired since they either can't read or don't give a shit.

Then why do you need the resume if you just ask for it all again

Why do you need to build a system to capture this information from people that can't read rather than just rejecting those applications?

I'm seeing some hostility towards you as a hiring manager which is rough, because hiring manager is not necessarily HR. It often means the manager of the person being hired. So the person on a specific team responsible for filling positions on that team. I'm not sure if you directly hire for your team or it's an HR term in your case, but just adding this here in case it helps someone not be rude to a random person on the internet.

Also, as a person who hires people on my team (I don't use the hiring manager title, but yea) it's ridiculous how awful some resumes are. We don't use hiring software, and I personally review all the resumes, but we are a small team so I totally understand why that would be used. The overlap of people who don't like filling out the forms but who also want to be evaluated on who they are rather than what's on their resume is a circle. I don't want to dismiss anyone who doesn't have a degree, but just because a degree isn't on the resume doesn't mean they don't have one. Plenty of people leave off the years they worked at a specific job. I can assume months or years, but the form would help clarify that without wasting anyone's time. Decisions have to be made somewhere and if people want to be judged by people in their field, then their full time job will likely not be hiring, so sometimes they use these forms for standardization purposes. I don't like them either, but they are not this evil thing they are made out to be.

Because I know if a hiring manager talks to me, they are likely to hire me, but if I write down that I didn’t graduate college, then they aren’t going to talk to me.

Unfortunately this computer filtering step tends to be highly inaccurate and game-able, but I’m not sure what to propose instead.

The EU actually has something like that:

https://europa.eu/europass/eportfolio/screen/profile-wizard?lang=en

My version was the last question of the test. She wanted us to read an entire test and then start answering after we finished reading it.

Lady, was I supposed to read an entire section of the SAT before taking it? That sounds so nutty.

It's already being used, and already screens out people with the same biases you could expect (name sounds foreign, name is female, etc.).

They absolutely can handle data entry. This post refers to the absurdity of firms asking for a resume and then asking for all the details in a form, which is pointless.