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My city got rid of lead pipes decades ago, and now I'm mad other cities are getting free money to replace them.
(This post is about student loans)
I hate scientists because they figured out the cure for cancer before my meemaw died. All my homies hate scientists. It probably makes you gay anyway.
This is huge...
I don't get a chance to be happy with Biden often, but this is one of the rare times.
Lead poisoning doesn't just hurt people's health, it makes the stupid and belligerent. Like, those are the actual effects of it.
There's a reason the benefits of banning leaded gas takes decades, it's not helping those who already have lead poisoning, it's just waiting for a new generation to grow up without it.
This is like one of those "best time to plant a tree" things.
The benefits are really far away, but doing it is a huge investment in our future as a society.
It's reassuring to know society overall will be more sane when I'm old.
Sadly, this is barely enough to scratch the surface. We need a lot more money put into this, and it’s not like the presidents before Biden didn’t know about it. They just didn’t even do this much. It’s disgraceful.
Kind of true, but some lead pipes just aren't an immediate issue. Like asbestos in a building that isn't disturbed, it doesn't hurt anyone until it starts to come loose.
Getting the worst of it solved is a good step.
The issue with not dealing with problems immediately, is that people have a tendency to push them down the line over and over until it’s not just immediate, it’s an emergency over a decade ago. Flint still doesn’t have clean water. This should have been a good first step Obama did, like he promised he was going to.
Flint actually does have clean water by most metrics and independent measurements, but public trust is reasonably deeply, deeply shaken.
This, and I don't mean this as a bad thing, isn't actually a thing Biden started. It's a massive disbursal of funds allocated by the infrastructure bill to a program started in 1996 for upgrading water infrastructure and specifically removing lead pipes.
So this is something great to do, and we should keep doing more of it (there's $12 billion more waiting for future rounds), and we can be slightly happy that we're not complete fuck ups since we actually started nearly 30 years ago.
We shouldn't have to live in a world where we need to advertise that the people entrusted to be basically competent at managing our public works are doing their jobs, but here we are, and we should probably advertise this stuff better.
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republicans now replacing their nonlead pipes with lead pipes
"Tonight on Hannity: Liberals want to take your Lead away!! The Romans used lead everywhere and they were a gigantic empire! Leave it to stupid liberals to think they know better than our ancestors! Take Back Our Lead!"
Feels like they did that years ago.
It’ll be interesting to see all these lead pipes replaced, and watch the amount of religious people take a nosedive afterwards.
It will have an effect in decades. The people that got affected are unlikely to get better. The biggest damage is being exposed to lead during childhood.
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I doubt it. While lead isn't ideal for delivering water, it's not as bad as you think. Once scale builds up in the pipe it didn't leech lead. The problem Flint had is they switched water sources and destroyed the scale so it went back to bare lead.
I wouldn't install new lead pipes but my point is that many old lead ones are probably fine. Ones that aren't fine so need to be replace though.
I've seen this comment before. My counter: can you assure me that, for example, a new homeowner that doesn't know better won't disturb the scale? They won't have a leaky faucet and mess with the pipes? Or something like Flint doesn't happen ever again where necessary infrastructure changes necessitate disturbing the scale?
This 'solution' only 'works' if you leave it completely alone and never touch it. So don't get new appliances, never have a plumber fix some things, never update that water main that's gonna break down any time now. It's a very short sighted 'solution' to the problem. I'd hazard it's a good argument for triage. Cities that need new infrastructure anyway go first kind of thing. But fobbing it off as 'its fine' isn't ok.
I don't think they were saying that we shouldn't replace them, but rather that it's unlikely to have a marked impact on things like religious adherence.
For the most part, the concerning lead is in the municipal portion of the water supply, not in the areas a homeowner can disturb. (Not all of course, but it was largely phased out of home construction in the 30s). Replacing appliances or having a plumber work aren't going to cause issues, and since the 80s having a service line or municipal water main break is a quick way to get non-lead installed.
Lead doesn't contaminate water super fast, the water needs to be in contact with it for a bit before concentrations start to rise to immediately actionable levels. That's why the biggest source of concern for contamination are municipal water mains and home service lines: water doesn't flow as quickly so it can accumulate more contamination, and there's a larger volume making it harder to flush the contaminated water. (If you have lead household plumbing, letting the water run for a minute or two will reduce the concentration below actionable levels. You can't do that if the contamination is from the water main)
You are entirely correct that pipe scale is not a "solution".
There's no safe concentration of lead, which is why we need to replace all the pipes, a process that started in the 80s. Usually doing it as part of routine maintenance is fine because it's not usually an emergency. The original plan to be done by the 2060s made a lot of assumptions about infrastructure maintenance being done on time, and people not making short sighted dumbfuck choices like the Flint emergency financial manager.
So we need to fix it as quickly as is reasonable, but we don't need to freak out over it, and we probably won't really see many marked changes like we did with leaded gas, just "no huge catastrophe", and average water lead levels dropping from 3 parts per billion to 1 or less.
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“Buh muh lead!1 gubment ruinin muh watuh!”
Waiting for the conspiracy videos where people are claiming they’are adding 4G modules to your pipes.
Weve replaced all your lead pipes with covid vaccines
Holy shit, we still have lead pipes in places!? I thought those were replaced in the 80's.
It's worse than you think.
You know those old ill maintained public schools?
The combination of not just old lead pipes, but being shut down for extended periods mean lots of children are getting lead poisoning at school.
https://www.gao.gov/blog/protecting-children-lead-exposure-schools-and-child-care-facilities
So even if your house and local water is fine, your kids might be getting dosed up with lead at a young age, which is when it's most impactful.
Lead is a serious problem that lots of people assume was fixed when we took it out of gas. It helped, but there's still lots of lead around.
It's going to be one of those things future generations look back on and go "no wonder they were so fucking crazy".
Nope, they're actually still pretty common across the industrialized world. It's not just a US thing.
We recognized the potential for harm decades ago, but for the most part it's not a critical issue due to some minutiae of how lead pipes work in practice.
Incidents like Flint made it clear that the consequences of messing up that minutiae are big enough that we really, really shouldn't be relying on them.
So this isn't billions of dollars in emergency response, it's billions of dollars in preventative maintenance, which is even better. 😊
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Damn Libruls trying to take away our poisonous lead pipes
The US still has lead pipes for drinking water??? Wtf.
Yes. 😕 They were originally coated on the interior so there wasn't direct exposure of the lead to the water. But lack of funding (in some cases deliberate, see Flint, MI) for maintenance leads to the coating wearing away, resulting in contamination of the water. There's plenty of Starving The Beast going on with things like this (also see bridges collapsing and public schools failing) by conservatives to try and grift on replacing public infrastructure with private ownership. Pretty disgusting.
Purely pedantically: the coating isn't applied to the pipes, it forms there from a reaction between the water and the pipe material.
It's not something that maintained by directly putting it on the pipes, but by managing the composition of the water supply, which they can't not do.
http://www.sedimentaryores.net/Pipe%20Scales/Lead%20Solubility.html
The issue in Flint wasn't that they cut maintenance funding, but that they cut water supply funding and so the utility switched from Detroit water (fine, stable and nice to pipes) to local river water which had a different acidity which destroyed the coating.
I agree with all your conclusions, just wanted to let you know why we're not constantly digging up pipes to fix the coating. 😊
Appreciate the clarification/correction.
How else do you explain there are still people voting for trump?
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Strategic lead reserve is being tapped.... munitions.
Looking at historical data on lead prices, you might be on to something
Like, to actually do it? Or for companies to pocket the money and give up on it soon after, like with the infrastructure upgrade we should already have?
Infrastructure updates? Fuck yeah!
I don't want to sound negative, but is this like show money, or an actual effective amount?
I found 1 article that says $28-60 billion to replace all the lead pipes Nationwide, so not enough to get all of them, but it's a start
https://prospect.org/environment/2023-02-01-lead-water-pipes/
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AFAIK this is an additional $3B. The BIL has already been funding projects for 2 years, and every state is already in the process of identifying all of their lead service lines. Each waterworks is required to at least have an inventory by October.
And that's in addition to multiple other infrastructure projects from this administration, including ARPA.
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