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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 131 points 7 months ago

Let's take all that "You can't POSSIBLY vote for GENOCIDE-adjacent person even if the alternative is LITERALLY A HUNDRED TIMES WORSE INCLUDING LOTS MORE GENOCIDE" energy

And apply it to "You can't POSSIBLY sit around typing on the internet while the world is falling apart, let's get involved in direct activism to make the US a better place instead of hoping that voting is enough which it definitely isn't"

While also, yes, voting for "not the end of the world"

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 64 points 7 months ago

We need to protect our democracy, as the ability to freely choose between policies is fundamental to the perpetuation of a liberal society.

On that note, you have exactly one viable choice to make and it will - at absolute best - kick the can down the road for two years. At that point, you will once again be told we need to protect democracy.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

At this point we're just hoping for the most damage mitigation possible.

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[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

I get the feeling most of the critics to this post don't actually live in the US. When it's you, your family and your friends in danger of being shipped off to the death camps, no amount of philosophical masturbation matters in comparison.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 34 points 7 months ago

I'm trans and live in the US, I just also have an actual spine.

The way people talk about Palestinians today is the way they'll talk about trans people tomorrow. Based on the logic of lesser-evilism, if the next election comes down to a democrat who wants to genocide trans people, and a republican who wants to genocide trans people and some other group(s), then you'll deploy the exact same arguments about supporting "lesser genocide." No one is safe once we accept this logic, at that point it's all about trying to shift to target onto another group's back to protect yourself.

Solidarity isn't just about doing the right thing, it's a practical survival strategy. It's about different groups banding together and recognizing that an attack on one is an attack on all, and that no amount of genocide towards any group is acceptable.

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 months ago

How are you blind to the fact that Republicans currently want to genocide trans folk...

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

Then afterwords we pass electoral reform right?

so people can vote for the candidate that best represents them, with no spoiler effect because their vote is still counted against the republicans. Democrats believe in democracy right?

[-] Slowy@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

The liberal party in Canada campaigned on election reform and then when they got elected said ah actually nah that doesn’t really benefit us sorry

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Then afterwords we pass electoral reform right?

You wanna guess which party has been amiable towards electoral reform and which has been hostile?

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[-] BlackSpasmodic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 7 months ago
  1. Your vote for president likely doesn't matter unless you live in one of a few states
  2. The Dems love that they can just scare you into voting against Trump rather than doing things that would excite you to vote Blue
  3. They love you caring more about Trump than Gaza or Cop City or Haiti
  4. There's WAY more to vote for than President
[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 89 points 7 months ago

rather than doing things that would excite you to vote Blue

You mean like doubling the overtime exemption salary, reinstituting net neutrality, forcing airlines to refund cancelled flights and banning non-compete agreements in nearly all cases? Because those all happened like, last week. Not to mention larger policies like student loan forgiveness, abortion, etc. that are supported nearly exclusively by Democrats.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 41 points 7 months ago

It is hard to get the news to cover positive things that don't get people angry, so a lot of people think that the Dems aren't doing anything.

The Dems do need to learn how to promote their successes.

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[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 16 points 7 months ago

Don't forget the rejoining the Paris climate Agreement, proposal to lower overdraft fees, and the marijuana rescheduling efforts. But yeah literally nothing good from this administration /s

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[-] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 30 points 7 months ago

Seriously, why can't they get a better candidate? 😕

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago

Because in 2020 not enough Democrats voted for the better candidate.

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[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 7 months ago

because first past the post voting socks

[-] banana_lama@lemm.ee 17 points 7 months ago

I'm voting for someone better. It's an option. They probably won't win tho

[-] xionzui@sh.itjust.works 40 points 7 months ago

Given the stakes in this particular election, I don’t think it’s a good option

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 7 months ago

i like this one, this one is good.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'll vote if you do more than just vote.

[-] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

You have no right to hold this over people's heads, and even implying a tit for tat arrangement is suggesting that anyone who doesn't "do more than just vote" isn't doing their part. Some of us have demanding jobs, kids, family that requires care, or other demands that do not allow time for political activity beyond voting which has already been made extremely difficult in some areas.

In short: get fucked. Go vote. Don't try to create some kind of one-upsmanship game that predicates your civic responsibility on someone else's volunteered time.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 17 points 7 months ago

This is extremely hostile. I was being cheeky. I want people to get more involved as much as other people want me to vote, that's the point I'm trying to make. I'll vote, and I don't need you to try and scare me or shame me about it. Maybe ask yourself why this makes you so upset that you have to swear at a stranger over it. Seems like there's something else going on that deserves your attention more than my dumb comment

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 7 months ago

Nice of you to assume people who vote don't do anything else to improve things.

How will you look back on whatever you're doing right now if you, and people like you, don't vote and lead to Trump winning? All that work for nothing because you refused to do the one thing that could help everything else you're trying to do.

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[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago

(guy beating you with a hammer) this will hurt worse if the other guy gets the hammer next

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[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 months ago

I am not ever voting for Joe Biden again.

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