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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.

Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.

claim 2: “but genocide joe”Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands

But trump has promised to be indisputably worse.

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

I’ve seen elections tied that had to go to a coin toss. This flipped the government of a nearby town. Every vote matters.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

The shoe that was thrown at Bush matters more than all the voting youre gonna do in your life. Dont fool yourself

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago

Okay, buddy.

I'm sure you are more politically relevant than we are.

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[-] Hegar@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll have a voting against trump is important with a side of fuck you genocide joe.

[-] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That's good as long as it's acknowledged what the only viable method of voting against Trump is.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 year ago
[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

fuck joe biden. but at the same time, fuck dolan more. I'd rather have 4 more years of relative calm with a shithead that nobody likes than to be subjected to another 4 years (at a minimum) of the crazy shit which is a trump presidency.

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[-] Dreizehn@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago

I'll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate. At least the Democrats are not crying about suspending the US Constitution. If you vote for Putin's Sock Puppet, you're voting for a dictator.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Beyond regularly voting in solidarity. We need to start running these younger better candidates ourselves. Republicans run unopposed in many places on state ballots. And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions. We might not win all or even a large chunk of them. But we could by accident when a few and start building new coalitions from there. Making inroads into places that had given up on getting better. Voting is only the first step.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And Democrats have spent roughly the last decade ignoring these positions.

Michelle Vallejo is 32. Democrats cut her funding in her election against Monica De La Cruz in the crucial last month, during an election cycle in which the party did ad buys for MAGA candidates.

Younger, better candidates run. Party leadership prefers a maga chud to a progressive in any given position.

Vallejo is running again. I hope she has alternate funding this time.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's the real issue here: neoliberals are more comfortable with fascism than progressivism or socialism, but most of the younger generation is (justifiably) disillusioned with liberalism, so of course the neoliberals Democratic Party is having a hard time finding candidates it wants to support.

The solution, of course, is to kick out the fucking neolibs that have a stranglehold on the party, but that's easier said than done.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I’ll take the lesser of the two evils and I will vote Blue, but I wish the Dems would have found a younger candidate.

I'll vote for the lesser of two evils and don't care one bit about his age. But I consider his support for genocide to be morally repugnant, and bitterly resent being manipulated into a position where my vote renders me monstrous.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

According to Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN, the Obama administration absolutely committed war crimes. Voting matters, and no matter what you think of Biden he is infinitely better than Trump, but don't roll your eyes and pretend that the people complaining about extrajudicial murder-robots are crazy. Credible institutions believe Obama violated international law with his drone program, you don't get to pretend that's fake because you don't like it.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 year ago

fully agree! but your qualms about eye rolling absolutely do not apply to me, perhaps you misread some of my tone? :) see some of the body text where i note that he has blood on his hands.

my use of the “but genocide joe” phrase was a (perhaps lackluster) dig against concern-trolling; the disturbing mincing of absolutely valid criticism of Biden into a “skip-the-vote cuz it doesn’t matter” platform that is essentially thinly veiled maga propaganda.

i do see your concern with how i phrased this, as again im totally with you in condemning Genocide Joe. if you have ideas of how to better phrase this meme i’m totally down to modify the text of it. :)

PS i fully believe that obama committed war crimes. the title of this post was not ironic, i believe that statement genuinely. bro committed attrocities that are not fake. again, not sure if you were misreading the tone there.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

OK, yeah, I read this as claiming people who say, "voting doesn't matter," "genocide joe," and, "Obama is a war criminal," are all just stupid leftists. It sounds like we agree and I would have gotten more context from the post body of the post, not just the image and title. My bad. :/

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[-] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

One person is a politician, and one is a rapist con artist. I'll take the politician please.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

who's saying voting doesnt change anything?

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago

The people who don't want you to vote.

[-] blazera@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I feel like you and OP are talking about people like me who aren't voting for your candidate

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

lol, false. don’t brigade or stir up shit but check out my comment history for examples of individuals who advocate for voter abstention.

do like, the bare minimum of research before implying im a liar. 👍

edit: since u pedants refuse to actually read, here is a recent user openly campaigning for voter abstention. not third party, full poll skipping, and stating voting does nothing. do not brigade this user im not trying to be an ass here, just proving that i am not lying. and another popular article that calls for not voting.

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Spot on.

I'm one of "those guys" championing voting third party or abstaining.

Still gonna vote on the measures, but the 2 party system has 2 fascist parties, so I won't vote for them.

That gets constant "So YoUrE vOtInG fOr TrUmP! SaMe ThInG!".

Same guys calling the anti-zionism/pro-Palestine protests anti-semetic/pro-hamas.

That can't think 2 inches past their fascist's asshole. Trump and Biden followers equally.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

not spot on. with full respect, this post is not about you. i really love to hear that you are voting on the ballot measures. that is a good thing.

others however are calling for non-voting altogether. this post is about them and not you, i apologize if you feel called out here that was not my intent.

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[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Russian troll is going to troll. “Both sides are the same” is about the most uninformed, naive, and idiotic thing I see.

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[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago
[-] Bipta@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

And Republicans who know better and want you to stay home. They're the same ones who lie about the date of the elections.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 year ago

enough to be scary for someone who doesn’t like seeing human rights stripped

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

A bunch of assholes, not limited to Lemmy. You'll see them pop up soon.

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The fish in the meme

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago

It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians, but double tap drone strikes are definitely a war crime.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Rome-Statute.pdf

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i mean the title genuinely. obama did war crimes. that is a true unironic statement.

let me see about editing the title it seems to be causing confusion.

edit: okay fixed. i do want to push back on your statement tho. everyone is NOT suddenly getting mad about dead palestinians. people have been pissed about the apartheid regime in israel for decades. be careful with your assertions here.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It is rather convenient that 2024 is the year everyone is choosing to be upset about dead Palestinians

Talk about your daring takes.

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[-] Jeanschyso@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

In Quebec, we have a saying that I would like to share with you. It comes from our love for complaining. We are completely addicted to complaining about everything. It's our third national sport after Hockey and curling.

"If you don't vote, you can't complain"

If you vote for a person and they don't do the promised thing, you can complain. You have an ~~excuse~~ reason.

If you vote for a person and someone else gets elected, you can complain that the person you voted for would have done a better job.

If you do NOT vote, you didn't do shit. You didn't do the strict minimum. You have no excuse to complain about any of it, because you did not participate in the decision.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote.

I genuinely hate this shit, because its so nakedly dishonest.

We played the game back in 2000 with Ralph Nader and "I don't care who you vote for, so long as you vote" collapsed into "Ralph Nader helped George Bush Jr steal the election" minutes after the polls closed in Florida. Then we played it again in 2016, when Jill Stein was accused of being a Putin shill. The Republicans played it in 1992 when (not entirely unfairly, Perot reviled Bush Sr for taking a foreign policy position of reconciliation towards Vietnam) Ross was blamed for George's abysmal poll numbers following Desert Storm.

Anyone who says this, while expressing any serious degree of interest in the outcome of the election, is simply lying.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 year ago

this post is specifically me confronting the position that elections are useless and should be avoided.

check through my comments in this post and you will find no instance of me telling someone who to vote for.

and yet you are the one coming into my comment section and calling me a liar. kindly stop it with the attacks, this is asshole behavior you are exhibiting.

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you're suffering a serious case of "First Past The Post voting".

I'm surprised you've let this condition go untreated for so long.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

votes 3rd party

and now we let the copium roll in

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[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vote, or don't.

The important thing is that electoralism won't solve our problems and is a waste of time for the working class.

Edit: Downvote me all you like. But I'd be interested if any of you have a plan of voting capitalism away. I'm all ears.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 year ago

huge news you’ll be happy to hear: you can do both voting and direct action. those aren’t somehow mutually exclusive. i do both. 👍 hope this helps

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