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claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”
Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.
Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.
claim 2: “but genocide joe”
Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands
But trump has promised to be indisputably worse. I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.
who's saying voting doesnt change anything?
The people who don't want you to vote.
I feel like you and OP are talking about people like me who aren't voting for your candidate
lol, false. don’t brigade or stir up shit but check out my comment history for examples of individuals who advocate for voter abstention.
do like, the bare minimum of research before implying im a liar. 👍
edit: since u pedants refuse to actually read, here is a recent user openly campaigning for voter abstention. not third party, full poll skipping, and stating voting does nothing. do not brigade this user im not trying to be an ass here, just proving that i am not lying. and another popular article that calls for not voting.
I see you commenting on a post criticizing specifically voting for Biden.
see the edit to my comment for proof
Not voting and abstaining from voting, while similar, are not the same thing.
Watching football and ignoring politics is not voting.
Rejecting both genocidal fascist candidates and abstaining is different.
Not voting means you don't care and are okay with whomever wins. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions and compromise for the best possible outcomes. It's way easier to virtue signal and not actually do anything though.
No, in this specific case, its that I don't support genocide or fascism.
If you are cool supporting genocide and fascism, you are a horrible person, but I cant stop you.
You really are a child aren't you. Everyone who doesn't agree with you supports genocide. News flash is going to happen no matter what you do. All we can try to the people responsible over time. And it's not just biden. It's the entire Democratic and Republican establishment. And you got to start replacing the bottom up not top down. Maybe someday when you grow up you'll be useful and actually help someone.
Everyone who votes for a man committing genocide does support genocide. Yes.
You are getting a little senile and all that Red Scare programming is really flaring up, huh?
Stop licking boots because "it's the only option."
It's not.
Grow up he's not committing genocide. He's enabling it yes. But for the love of God grow up.
Kiddo I literally am the red. And I love to love to scare them.
You are literally the only one here to mention licking boots. I'm not here to kink shame. If that's your thing more power to you. Just stop accusing others of it. We're trying to actually make a difference unlike you.
see my edit to my comment. i understand the difference between those terms and am not equivocating. kindly stop implying im a liar now that i have provided evidence.
... which isn't simply not voting. It's refusing to vote for fascist tyrants and genocide and challenging the system to do better.
What isn't clear about that?
Spot on.
I'm one of "those guys" championing voting third party or abstaining.
Still gonna vote on the measures, but the 2 party system has 2 fascist parties, so I won't vote for them.
That gets constant "So YoUrE vOtInG fOr TrUmP! SaMe ThInG!".
Same guys calling the anti-zionism/pro-Palestine protests anti-semetic/pro-hamas.
That can't think 2 inches past their fascist's asshole. Trump and Biden followers equally.
not spot on. with full respect, this post is not about you. i really love to hear that you are voting on the ballot measures. that is a good thing.
others however are calling for non-voting altogether. this post is about them and not you, i apologize if you feel called out here that was not my intent.
Again, you keep saying "not voting" like they are just playing Call of Duty and cant be bothered.
They are abstaining. There is a difference. When no viable candidate is presented, you abstain. That is the correct thing to do.
Voting for fascism and genocide because that's all that's available is the wrong way to go about it.
Russian troll is going to troll. “Both sides are the same” is about the most uninformed, naive, and idiotic thing I see.
American fascist throwing tankie/russian/chinese at an actual responsible American because their feefees are hurt I wont vote for their fascist.
“Responsible American” lol
Naive, delusional, and malignant is a more apt description of “both sides” people.
43% of the country is currently registered independant.
You are the minority.
Third party is completely viable, fascists like you just clog up the discussion with your froth mouthed boot licking.
third party or not voting means you don't want to help stop Trump being elected and you approve of his blank check support of genocide.
I'm not saying you want to vote for Trump, but you have no intention of doing anything to try and stop it, and all the worse outcomes that come along with it.
Until you get preferential voting / ranked voting, that's how it is in the USA. Grow up and deal with it.
Russian state trolls
And Republicans who know better and want you to stay home. They're the same ones who lie about the date of the elections.
...mixing in with the shit stain MAGATs.
A bunch of assholes, not limited to Lemmy. You'll see them pop up soon.
enough to be scary for someone who doesn’t like seeing human rights stripped
The fish in the meme
People living in a very biased state.
Yeah, voting in the right person will solve deindustrialization, homelessness, decadent academia, drugs, inflation etc etc