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So the police killed him. Wish titles would stop pussy footing around.
Yeah. The details are in the article. Officer had his knee on the victims upper back for at least 30 seconds while the victim begged the officer to move as he couldn't breathe. At some point he stopped responding entirely while the officers were holding him. He needed immediate medial attention from the instant he stopped breathing. Instead of helping him officers told him "shut the fuck up you're fine". And only after he had stopped moving for 5 minutes did they check and realize he was dead.
The knee on the upper back position is illegal. The correct thing to do is to have 1 officer hold his shoulders steady and the other hand cuff him. If there's only 1 officer present (which there never should be), there are many other holds that are not life threatening. I think it's entirely fair and legitimate to say that they killed him. It's not libelous, or exaggeration, they killed him and did not seek medical attention when he very clearly stated he wasn't able to breathe. That's manslaughter and negligent homicide at least.
They'll get a paid vacation and possibly early retirement with pension for the trauma this murder caused them.
*tax payer funded
And only after he haf stopped moving for 5 minutes did they check and realize he was dead.
And then it took them extra 3 minutes to decide they might want to do CPR.
Maybe they just don't like lawsuits? There is a reason the word allegedly is used so often.
Police unions are litigious
Its too much to ask for what should be an anti-police story related to them murdering a civilian to not use passive voice to describe the murder.
Yes because it's not an anti-police story, it's a reporting of events with which you can use your brain to reach a conclusion. What you're describing is better suited for commentary like this thread.
If someone died from a non cop entity you would likely see a much less passive voice.
For example: https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/19-year-old-dead-in-alleged-ohio-murder/
In that little write up I see "murder", " Killed" and "Shots fired". This was also a very short article.
If you look at the URL the original published headline said 'alleged murder', it's always more passive until something sticks, like a murder charge.
Edit: NBC is not doing their jobs correctly if they make assumptions about the cause of death. We've seen excessive force in similar situations being the direct cause of death but it's not the job of these news outlets to make assumptions on your behalf. An assumption about something that was likely to have happened is still an assumption.
If NBC calls it a murder and a report comes out that definitively shows that the death happened concurrently but was not caused by the use of force then NBC is in the shit because they appealed to your emotions instead of reporting the facts.
ACAB
I guess something more drastic then the George floydd protests is required.
Something like a schmevolution.
This shit again!?! gumbles while digging out body armor mutters under breath, these fucking idiots need to lose their god damned jobs... they won't even get jail time OK I'm ready... ACAB and all that puts on gas mask lets do this shit again
I used to go out wearing a leather corset (not tightened) and leather bra under my shirt. Shit was literal body armor.
AC +2
Literal Fallout 4 raider armor
raider
ACAB
I live near Canton. I cannot express the rage, disappointment, and sorrow I feel at this. I fucking hate having the conversations. It is so soul crushing to hsct to explain to loved ones who get brainwashed that "killing bad".
I’m not defending the police here, but could this man have had a heart attack due to the presence of drugs or alcohol in his system, combined with the fact that his heart rate was elevated by resisting arrest? He does not appear to be in good physical condition. I see that his stomach looks a little distended and he sort of waddles as he took steps around the bar area. I’m not condoning the knee on the back, or the amount of elapsed time before checking for a pulse, but I think they should conduct a toxicology test and publish the report soon. Also, the article claims he crashed his car before running into the bar. He might have sustained injuries from the crash, and then exerted himself by running from the scene. There is a lot that occurred in this incident before the police arrived at the bar.
"I'm not defending police here" procedes to defend police
No.
Don't you have a box of donuts to eat or something?
I actually have a hole in my stomach from things that happened to me in childhood. I wasn’t raised by police.
I didn't know that ingesting boot polish could cause stomach ulcers.
I’m not defending the police here, but
Oh boy, here we go.
could this man have had a heart attack due to the presence of drugs or alcohol in his system, combined with the fact that his heart rate was elevated by resisting arrest
Totally. He could have also died from a brain aneurysm, aliens, a very advanced case of SIDS, or a witch's curse. Or, you know, maybe he died from the whole not being able to breathe thing that was actually happening.
He does not appear to be in good physical condition. I see that his stomach looks a little distended and he sort of waddles as he took steps around the bar area.
He didn't look like he was in great shape? Only fitness buffs and marathon runners with no booze in their systems get to live though being cuffed? Tf is wrong with you.
Even if the knee on the back is not the cause what the fuck is wrong with the officers to just brush off his plea for help? Say he has an asthma attack and couldn't breath, after he's handcuffed on the floor there's not much he can do himself. If you immobilised someone you need to take care of them. If they die in your care while calling for help at the least it's negligence.
Funny, I remember the same question being asked about George Floyd... he had a heart condition, you see.
Do you think any of those things you suggested are more likely than the cause of death being the knee in his back?
Yeah do Yankees like to kill Black men?
They're just the ones who have a tougher time getting away with it, slavery stan.
"Yankees"? The title clearly states that this happened in Ohio, which is about 500 miles away from New York.
Yankee means like 10 different things depending on where the speaker is from
Nope, Yankee means New York. Everyone else is wrong, especially the Brits.
Incorrect. The Yankee Doodle Dandy subspecies can be from anywhere in New England.
Clearly a Mets fan. Everyone else is a Yankee to them.
As a Mets fan and expat thousands of miles away from Shea (fuck Citi), yeah... This is how life feels. Even now.
Haven't read the story yet but... was this a white guy? I'm going to guess not,
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