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[-] tearsintherain@leminal.space 136 points 7 months ago

I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It's like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it's become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are "the chosen people". The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.

Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.

Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 104 points 7 months ago

Fuck you, Biden. I’m only voting for you because the alternatives are worse.

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 7 months ago

There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide. You have already hit rock bottom.

[-] Godort@lemm.ee 133 points 7 months ago

What if the other side is also genocide along with totalitarian fascist rule?

[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You still would be voting for a self proclaimed non-Jewish Zionist whose pockets are lined by Israel to commit genocide. Don't let any "other side" or bullshit "trolley problem" argument take that away from you. At least have the balls to own it. This whole purely pragmatic approach to "lesser evil dilemma" is what brought Biden to power in the first place. But yeah surely next time it'll be better. Doesn't matter how many people die because "Orange man bad".

Since I couldn't get the message across on my first comment, let me repeat myself. There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.

[-] wahming@monyet.cc 82 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The corollary of "there is no lesser evil", is "there is no greater evil". You're saying that there is absolutely no crime that could be committed that would be worse? Like, say, genocide AND a descent into fascism? Maybe flavored with a nice sprinkling of loss of women's rights?

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 51 points 7 months ago

Don't forget he's also a serial war criminal pardoner, on top of everybody else. The orange man has no respect for human rights

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Don't forget that Trump has pretty much called for a genocide right here at home in the US, against trans people, against immigrants, and against pretty much anyone who doesn't share his views. This doesn't even count the stuff that his donors and PACs already have lined up for him to sign as soon as he sits his ass in the chair, or the fact that several US states have attempted to decriminalize murdering certain groups of people.

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[-] darharrison@lemm.ee 55 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Trump would absolutely make the genocide significantly worse than the track it's currently on if he wins. And he's gonna make life in the US worse too. The "both sides are equally bad" rhetoric has absolutely failed over the last 8 years. If he lost in 2016 the entire world would be on a completely different track and if you don't want to believe it then I'm confident that you don't actually know the differences in policy and ideologies between the Democratic and Republican parties.

And before anyone says I'm accuses me of being a liberal, I'm a libertarian socialist and I'm registered to the Socialist Party of Massachusetts. I voted Bernie in both primaries then Green Party in 2016 (which I've come to regret even though Clinton was going to win my home state by a huge margin) then Biden in 2020. I voted this way in '20 because while Biden ignores socialists Trump wants them all dead.

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[-] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 52 points 7 months ago

There is no lesser evil when it comes to genocide.

This is obviously untrue. If the option a) is genocide and b) is genocide and also dismantling the methods to protest it, methods to oust the decision makers, dismantling national security in resources and relationships, at the same time as blatantly plundering both the pockets of citizens and communal coffers, there's very obviously a more evil option.

Equivocation and black-white thinking is comfortable, but there are still shades of brown when the shit has hit the fan.

In the best of worlds you wouldn't be in this situation, now you are, make the better choice.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

shades of brown

That bit of poetry touched my heart. Thank you.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago

Yeah so let's elect a man that said he'd be a dictator to the highest office and put him in charge of the largest military on the globe. Sounds like a nice alternative in our facsimile of democracy.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 7 months ago

"I'm only voting for you because you're my preferred candidate."

...uh huh

Voting.

[-] capem@startrek.website 18 points 7 months ago

I'm going a step further and not voting for him.

[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 53 points 7 months ago

Do what you want, but don’t kid yourself into thinking you’ll help the situation by exercising a vote for Trump, 3rd party, or abstaining from voting. Expect a lot worse treatment for Palestine, its citizenry, and other middle eastern countries from his opponent.

That being said, you may not have to worry about who you’ll vote for ever again if the fascists gain control… you’ll have a lot of other things to worry about, but voting won’t be one of them.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 97 points 7 months ago

Dearest Biden,

Please stop trying to get Trump elected.

Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.

[-] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago

Only reason Biden is free to support genocide is because his opponent is Trump. It is the current political climate responsible for Israel's blatant disregard to humanity.

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 28 points 7 months ago

fucking seriously. he won't step aside, and he won't stop holding it over the abyss.

he wants to make it as painful as possible to vote for him, but I just... I know at this point I can't, abd I'm starting to see much less radical people than me make that call.

[-] tiefling 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It terrifies me as a transgender immigrant because I know Trump literally is dying for the chance to genocide me and my friends, but Biden really isn't helping at all. This country is a failure.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yep! spin the wheel of genocides!

this is why you don't vote for the "lesser evil" for twenty years. takes electoral politics from 'impotent' to 'suicidal'.

its... well its not cool that this is the only option, but there are other kinds.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

That's the thing.

Whenever somebody goes "we have to vote Biden just this once to stop Trump" I think back on the last 2 or 3 decades were the Democrat's appeal to vote have been little more than a variant of this and how it has brought things to such a point that now the only two viable candidates to POTUS are genocide lovers (Mango Moussolini vs Smooth Talker Moussolini).

It's like fighting a War by taking one hill after another whilst going in the wrong direction - sure, those who are the kind that can't see the forest because of the trees, are gonna be celebrating after they succeed in taking a hill in one of their attempts every 4 years, but meanwhile at a strategical level things keep getting worse and worse, because they've been conditioned to always assault the wrong hill.

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[-] nadram@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Remember, Trump moved the whole US embassy to Jerusalem just to give Palestinians the middle finger. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I810Z/ You can be sure that a very high majority of US politicians will take the same pro-Israel stand. The reason is simply campaign funding and lobbying. Look at AIPAC

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

Because Trump would have handled this better?

Only reason we didn't end up with a war in Iran in 2020 is pure fucking luck.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago

No, Trump is clearly fucking worse... but I don't want free Palestine folks to have a reason not to vote for Biden.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 73 points 7 months ago

Brought to you by decades of Israeli lobbying money mixed with gullible religious morons in the U.S. legislature. Money in politics leads to genocide.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 40 points 7 months ago

In 2023 Israel spent $4 million in lobbying and got $4 billion in aid. We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y'all. No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all.

Traditionally, one calls that "forming a party" but unfortunately we live in a two-party system.

It should be noted that the $4B Israel got wasn't just $4B for Israel. It was $4B for purchase of US weapons systems too Israel. And it wasn't just Israel lobbying for this spending. You had a host of MIC lobbyists throwing in their own millions.

It should further be noted that AIPAC isn't just doing a one-time $4M retail purchase of legislation. They've spend decades building up an enormous back bench of former US Congresscritters, allied staffers, political bundlers, event organizers, and religious affiliates. They injected $4M down the funnel in an 11th-hour push for the next traunch of military kick-backs that they've been receiving since the Bush 43 administration.

No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.

Its important to recognize that Israel provides an incredibly vital service to the US military in the form of maintaining control of the Suez Canal. Its not just a 1000:1 ROI. They're holding Egyptian national leadership at gunpoint and we're kicking them over some money to keep the gun loaded.

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don't like.

Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.

That's right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.

[-] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

You think those countries would have joined without those powers?

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago

"Biden and his administration are doing all they can" my ass!

They're exactly as beholden to the Israeli apartheid state as all the previous ones going back to 1948, if not MORE than many of them.

Just one example of many that the DNC is still stuck in 1992 and almost half as unresponsive to the will of the majority of the people as the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle 🤬

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago

They are doing all they can to cover for Israel, while attempting to appear neutral.

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[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 57 points 7 months ago

Someone remind me again why does the US, or any country, have veto power in the UN?

A veto power basically makes the entire institution useless.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 61 points 7 months ago

Because without it there would be no UN, and as useless as you think the current UN is, I promise you no UN is even more useless.

It's bleak but the fact that we can even get everybody in the same room is remarkable. Like it or not, a UN where Monaco and the US (or, Russia, China, etc) have the same power at the table is a UN where the big players reject its authority and form their own clubs.

[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago

Justify how there would be no UN without such veto. Because, honestly, an agreement council where you can only agree as a group to do something if the big players don't say otherwise to me looks like it just compounds the eternal problems we already have and is nothing more than just another flavour of "feel free to protest in a way that does not importunate me" Capitalism.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 27 points 7 months ago

Because there isn't a UN without America, China and Russia.

France and the UK could leave and the UN could exist but those 3? Not a chance.

Each of those larger nations carries so much weight that their influence on global politics would outshine any body that tried to legislate without them.

The UN could exist technically but it would have no teeth at all. It has few enough as is.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

Wasn't that why the League of Nations failed?

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[-] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 7 months ago

U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”

Fuck you Robert Wood!

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[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago

Reminder the US is an imperialist power that is evil.

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[-] Copernican@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Taiwan can't get recognized despite its government being a founding member of the UN and folks surprised it's contentious for Palestine to be recognized?

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

Of course the UN is a joke anyway, so it’s not like this really matters in any way.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 18 points 7 months ago

The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 12 in favor, the United States opposed and two abstentions, from the United Kingdom and Switzerland. U.S. allies France, Japan and South Korea supported the resolution.

Pretty interesting

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[-] CannedCairn@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago
[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Does Palestine even have a reasonable government that could represent them?

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