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[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 5 months ago

Was the credit cut? Bc Existential Comics really be a classic

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 5 months ago

Don't know is EC has that signed in the image tbh. I just crossposted in this case.

[-] Zaros@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago

If I recall correctly, a lot of the comics (at least early ones, I haven't gotten very far) don't have credit on them.

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[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 75 points 5 months ago

Anti-anarchist pretty much think

  • Anarchy = chaos

This is heavily promoted by mainstream media and language

  • Anarchists are pacifist

Many people seem unable to comprehend how a community might defend itself without a standing military and so assume we must be unwilling to defend ourselves.

  • Nothing can be accomplished without coercion

Because most of us have grown up within strict hierarchies coerced to do things we don't want, we have trouble imagining any other way.

  • Everyone is inherently a selfish asshole

This is probably projection in most cases

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

How do you keep an Anarchic Utopia then? What stops Dickie McDickerson and his thugs from establishing a state on top of you?

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

The same that stops them from taking over a democracy. Sometimes.

If a society became anarchist enough to abolish state structures, there obviously had to exist a reason - there had to exist popular support.

Thus, someone attempting to recreate a state would face questions and opposition. People would try to persuade them of their error. If they declared a state, anarchists would not recognize it. If it claimed sovereignity above a territory, anarchists might not recognize that either.

The new state might encounter problems - unwilling residents would leave and be accepted in anarchy, annoyed anarchists would organize trade boycotts and sanctions, ultimately it could go badly and armed confrontation could follow. In some scenarios, the state might remain and attract people who want to live there. In some scenarios, war would follow - and if the majority really was anarchist, the state would lose and disappear.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 71 points 5 months ago

As much as I abhor the state and wish we live like the state of Cheran (ironic of me to say state in this case, I know), anarchy will only work in a very small group, where everyone knows each other, are like-minded enough to not abuse each other's goodwill, and respect each other's personal boundaries.

[-] Lux 33 points 5 months ago

So have a lot of small groups

[-] Sasha 15 points 5 months ago

Free trade and mutual cooperation between collectives, I thought this was considered the standard anarchic model?

[-] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Yes, our massive population and current way of life are not natural tendencies of our species, they are organizational forms put into place by rulers for more effecient exploitation.

[-] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

Like...? I really miss the point. Do you mean villages or genocide?

[-] businessfish 16 points 5 months ago

how could what they wrote mean genocide?

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[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 31 points 5 months ago

Anarchism wouldn't get that far in the first place lmao

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 months ago

AAAB.

All Anarchists Are Based.

[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago
[-] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 months ago

I don't see how anyone would be safe from thieves in anarchy.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago
  1. Stealing, when it is done by most regular people is out of desperation. Decomodification of things necessary to live, and change in the socioeconomic system from a hierarchical one to a cooperative one would very likely lead to reduction in such crimes.
  2. I have a gun. (/s)
[-] LadyAutumn 30 points 5 months ago

You are misunderstanding why people become thieves in the first place, and how comparatively uncommon pure thievery is. The majority of theft is legal and is done in the name of capitalist profiteering. Not that break ins don't happen, nor that everyone will be a good person and accept a society of mutual aid.

Genuine theft will still occur. The consequences of something being stolen would not be the same within an anarchist society built on mutual aid. It is much easier to recover from theft when shelter, food, water, are all guaranteed things that you don't have to fret over. So the consequences will largely be interpersonal, grudges and disputes between people over less consequential things like valuables of some particular nature.

I am not of the opinion that violence of the community need be used on such a situation either. We aren't the police for Christ's sake. We can actually settle disputes in a proactive way that attempts to rectify the situation that precipitated the theft (maybe someone needs mental health help, maybe there are interpersonal issues) without kicking the shit out of anyone.

Violent crimes can be handled however the community sees fit. But things like theft or destroying someone's clothes should be handled proactively to ensure lasting solutions for everyone involved. Violence is a pretty bad deterrent for this kind of behavior.

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 29 points 5 months ago

The state doesn't keep you safe from thieves now. The police are a reactionary force that shows up after you've been robbed and then do nothing to help you. The most you get is a police report to refer your insurance company to, if your stolen belongings were insured.

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A very real risk of punishment by the state if you happen to get caught is what prevents theft. Your argument conveniently left that important part out and presented a straw man argument.

The rest of these comments talk about unenforced theft like white collar crimes and other class war-like theft. Which just reinforces the idea that only state-executed enforcement of law is actually any good at preventing theft.

[-] interrobang 15 points 5 months ago

Not needing to steal is what keeps most people from stealing, not fear of punishment.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 months ago
[-] MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 5 months ago

So basically mob-justice.

Because witch hunts have never gone wrong and were always justified.

"This man loves other men, that's weird, let's kill him." - apparently no one ever

Also relevant meme: 4f16b8fa-df8d-4462-8eaa-c8e526a647fb

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 5 months ago

"justice is not handed down from above and is therefore unfair" < words of the utterly deranged

[-] MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 months ago

You mean the process, that is democratically decided by elections with a bunch of checks and balances in the process?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just lol. Is that why there's billionaires hoarding all the wealth while billions starve? Is that why Palestine is being genocided? Is that why we're headed full-steam for a climate apocalypse?

There's no "democracy" nor "checks and balances". There's only a sad farce.

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[-] DarkenLM@kbin.social 17 points 5 months ago

You are free to steal. And the rest of the community is free to beat the shit out of you.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 months ago

If that's how it works, then a stable anarchist society is impossible. The first asshole that comes along with a bigger gun than everyone else will have it right back to a dictatorship.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 months ago

The community will band against the dictator as much as the thief

[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 5 months ago

They most likely follow the dictator, at the very least to sate their blood thirst.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Their "blood thirst" of not wanting thieves and murderers in their society? You realize that our current society is orders more "blood thirsty" than what we describe but only that you hide the violence through the police and the brutal wars and genocides against other nations?

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[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

The free market will regulate itself! We’ll all have open and fair access

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[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

That's true for all types of society. But it also means that a completely anarchist society is more stable than the rest because the means of self defence are equally distributed and that everyone would rise against such authoritarian attack.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

the means of self defence are equally distributed

That has never been, and will never be true. You could magically eliminate all weapons on the planet simultaneously and it still won't be true, since some people are bigger and stronger than others.

And in case you haven't been paying attention to history; authoritarians very rarely just show up out of nowhere and take over. They are usually installed as leader after some form of revolution, then the title just gets transferred once the authoritarian system is in place. It's usually far more insidious than just some guy the village has to band together to fight off.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

Theivery is a result of material needs unfulfilled, not some random genetic drive to go stealing.

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[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago
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Ah yes the comic that deprogrammed me on anarchism

[-] EunieIsTheBus@feddit.de 10 points 5 months ago

This is so cringe.

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