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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 188 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I have a real problem with this, and I've been on both sides of it. It really doesn't do anything to help your cause by having people stuck in traffic. There are many reasons that someone could be in their car at that moment, not just commuting to or from a job. They could be on their way to a court appointment, they could have dinner in the car, they could be going to pick their child up from school, they could be on their way to a doctor's appointment, or any of a million other reasons that make this not just an inconvenience, but a complete shithead thing for someone to put someone else through. Protestors aren't making their case against the war by pissing off every person stuck in traffic, they are just being dickheads. If you want to protest a war, go hang out outside of a government building, or in front of an elected official's house. Make them feel uncomfortable, not some poor schmuck who has somewhere else to be at the moment.

Edit: Ok, I guess I need to give a peaceful example. You want to block traffic? Block the exits to the parking garage where the elected officials park downtown. Do that for a week and see how much of an impact you make. Blocking commuters is a waste of energy.

[-] witten@lemmy.world 113 points 5 months ago

I don't think the goal is to convince the people stuck in the artificially created traffic about Gaza. I think it's to get news coverage from sites like nbcnews.com so as to raise the profile of the Gaza war so that politicians must address it. You are welcome to argue whether that's an effective strategy, but I think that's the intent.

Also, side note.. Social progress rarely comes from rule following.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago

Is the profile not high enough? I'm pretty sure everyone knows about it who needs to know about it. Blocking traffic isn't going to make a ceasefire happen across the world. Annoying your fellow citizens and ruining their day isn't getting any politicians to act. It's pointless. Actions must be taken against those in charge if we want to see any forward progress. Blocking traffic to protest a war is like yelling at a frycook because you want the McRib back. The actions are being aimed at the wrong people.

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[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 112 points 5 months ago
[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 90 points 5 months ago

They're not in front of the White House, they're not even in front of city hall, they're hurting their own.

The King loves it when the peasants fight amongst themselves.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not, but that is exactly what I'm saying. Right now, blocking traffic is about as easy for the "king" to ignore as anything else.

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

/agree

I fully support the cause, but this just ain't the way to effectively protest the system. I feel the same way about the climate activists throwing soup on art instalation (yes I know they are all protected, but to the average person you still look like an ignorant fucking asshole).

If you want to spur change, then you need to make it uncomfortable for your representatives to take a public position than conflicts with your ethics. Do so peacefully, but forcefully and as often as is feasible. You are much more likely to garner public support that way, and normies generally love anything that make politicians look bad.

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[-] CliveRosfield@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

I feel bad for the people in traffic but the protestors only get to this state because of repeatedly being ignored by the government. If normal protests aren’t cutting it anymore and you don’t want to be violent then what options do you really have? They (gov) just don’t listen.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Protest where it is effective, not where it gets you the most social media clout. Blocking traffic is the protesting equivalent of a selfie. Make some noise near an elected official, and often. See how quickly they change their attitude when they are the ones being fucked with.

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[-] nulluser@programming.dev 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah. I saw some of the posts across Lemmy trying to organize this.

There it was presented as blocking shipping ports. I thought that was odd. Wasn't sure how that was going to affect Israel, but whatever.

Then the day comes and they're doing this low effort reposting-of-a-meme-everyone-has-seen-already version of protest and I just rolled my eyes.

"Innocent people are being murdered in Palestine, so I'm going to go prevent someone that also hates what is happening from visiting their dying grandmother! That'll show 'em!"

🙄

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[-] Otakulad@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

Completely agree. Blocking the average Joe driving home will get attention, but potentially for the wrong reason. I think your edit is perfect. Inconvenience those in power that can do something about it now, not someone who can really only do something when voting.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The objective is to appear in the News, which will result in way more people becoming aware of just how many people are against what Israel is doing in Gaza and the US Administration's support of it, which in turn will lead others to become more open about they themselves being against it since they will feel that "we are many" rather than "it's just me" - grassroots movements independent of established politicial and media networks, no matter how many potential supporters they have, must be seen in order to grow otherwise they'll just fizzle away and nothing will change.

That usually means some kind of stunt in an important and highly public place which is almost certain to affect lots of members of the public.

Barelly disturbing a handful of politicians as you suggest would not make the News unless the Press was already there for some other reason and it would still have to be some kind of stunt (think the Iraqi guy that threw his shoe at George Bush) for the Press to even mention it in the news.

Unfortunatelly in the World we live in people have to use marketing strategies to merelly be seen, more so to have soap box to be heard by the rest of the nation, especially in Theatre Of Democracy countries were the "choice" is either pre-selected A or pre-selected B, and were the Press is not at all a Pillar Of Democracy independent of the Political Pillar but is pretty much joined at the hip with Political and/or Wealth Powers.

If it had the kind of Political and Press environment were those things could just be done the way you naivelly (or maybe misleadingly) suggest, the US would be quite a different place in terms of Power, Voice and Representativeness and not one where the only electoral "choice" is between two genocide-loving presidential candidates.

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[-] whoreticulture 23 points 5 months ago

Those poor schmucks also have a voice and have political power. And you can't deny the optics of the Golden Gate Bridge being closed, it's an iconic throughway. I'm not sure if there are any instantly recognizable parking garages.

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

So, some single mother in the Midwest is now going to do something about Gaza now? That's what we needed? Optics? Fuck. We should put up some billboards along the interstate next, that'll bring all this kids back from the dead

You all are missing then ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a protest. It isn't to block traffic, it's to force action to be taken where none is, and no one capable of taking that action gives two squirts of chipotle if some people stood on a bridge yesterday. Fuck with the establishment, make some cunt in his comfortable office sweat.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 149 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

ITT- You're allowed your first amendment right to protest war crimes, just not where I can see or be inconvenienced. Because all of the civil rights and anti war protests in the past 70 years that were truly successful were very polite and inconvenienced no one.

[-] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 134 points 5 months ago

MLK Jr. literally wrote about this exact same thing in his Letter from Birmingham jail.

that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ ”

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

Yeah I remember reading that in college. He wasn't the bland platitudes guy high schools teach.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago

He was also assassinated right after he started pivoting from civil rights to economic inequality (starting the Poor People's Campaign). Funny coincidence, that.

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[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

I mean, the people they're irritating aren't the ones that can do anything about it. All you're doing is pissing everyone off. Go to your state's capitol and fuck that place up instead.

[-] Jamil@lemm.ee 39 points 5 months ago

Pissing people off is irrelevant. You're irrelevant. You will not be swayed. You have demonstrated that after 6 months of innocent deaths. Even if 100,000 children die. 1 million children die. You're selfish and lazy.

This is direct action, it's about adding a financial cost to the government's direction. They've decided supporting a genocide is more financially beneficial than pursuing justice. If we shut it all down, they'll change their tune.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago

I mean, it sucks to get inconvenienced by stuff like this. But the goal is to make nations hurt economically for supporting the Palestinian genocide.

Most of the other options available would probably injure or kill innocent people. Like, you're not gonna make a difference without some casualties. Better that casualty be an afternoon instead of your life.

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[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Interrupting labor is the most peaceful way to threaten the capitalist class. If you object to this, you advocate for more extreme measures. Be careful what you wish for.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you want the inconvenient protests to stop, fucking join them so that the change happens quicker.

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[-] capem@startrek.website 72 points 5 months ago

Nice.

If Americans want the protests to stop, they should stop supporting genocide.

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

Mm and how has the average San Franciscan contributed to a war on the other side of the planet?

[-] Jamil@lemm.ee 50 points 5 months ago

The same way the average American contributed to black oppression. By being silent observers to your government's actions.

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[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

In the same way we all do. Those weapons can't be built without a reliable economy. Interruptions in labor produce ripple effects which disrupt the atrocities of the capitalist class.

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[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago

I support any protest that blocks car traffic. The fact that the protesters are protesting something important is a nice bonus.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

So you were in favor of the fascist Canadian trucker rally?

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[-] CybranM@kbin.social 40 points 5 months ago

Yeah fuck those people trying to get to work!

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[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago

If you hold me hostage, violence is an option.

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[-] Veraxus@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

There has got to be a way to do this without hurting regular people.

Like I agree with the protestors 100%... but trapping people on a bridge? Blocking traffic? That's dangerous and irresponsible.

Direct action and disruption is necessary, but this is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

[-] Otkaz@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Nothing like exercising your right to protest by infringing on everyone else's right to travel freely.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago

ITT: car-brains who think being inconvenienced justifies murder

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[-] ReiRose@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

Is this comments section: "fuck shit up, society isn't working," vs "follow the rules when you protest, that's how you make change happen."

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

This is such a pathetic attempt at both.

You didn't fuck any shit up and if the government, police etc really wanted to, they certainly could've fucked them up. Go hard or go home, blocking a bridge on another country is completely idiotic.

They probably pissed some Israelis off who will purposely go shoot some kids over it.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago

They were gonna shoot those kids anyway. It's not like they've been holding back until now.

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[-] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 5 months ago

Can't wait to watch all the redditors who mostly don't commute or don't drive have a collective aneurysm over this.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

Honestly, Bay Area commuters who use that bridge regularly probably couldn't tell the difference

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