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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by yogurtwrong@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

My brother is 12 and just like other people of his age he can't use a computer properly because he is only familiar with mobile devices and dumbed-down computers

I recently dual-booted Fedora KDE and Windows 10 on his laptop. Showed him Discovery and told him, "This is the app store. Everything you'll ever need is here, and if you can't find something just tell me and I'll add it there". I also set up bottles telling him "Your non-steam games are here". He installed Steam and other apps himself

I guess he is a better Linux user than Linus Sebastian since he installed Steam without breaking his OS...

The tech support questions and stuff like "Can you install this for me?" or "Is this a virus?" dropped to zero. He only asks me things like "What was the name of PowerPoint for Linux" once in a while

After a week I have hardly ever seen my brother use Windows. He says Fedora is "like iOS" and he absolutely loved it

I use Arch and he keeps telling me "Why are you doing that nerdy terminal stuff just use Fedora". He also keeps explaining to me why Fedora better than my "nerd OS"

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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 286 points 2 years ago

“Is this a virus?”

Your 12-year-old brother is more security-conscious than most of the adults I work with.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 132 points 2 years ago

Non techies have two settings. Either everything is a virus or nothing is a virus.

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago

Still better security consciousness than 99% of the population.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 34 points 2 years ago

Nah, my father is one of those who thinks everything is a virus, especially emails. And so he installs all kind of "clean your PC from viruses"-software ....

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[-] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My dad is in his 70s, but he is thankfully rather aware of these kinds of things. He forwards me messages or calls me to ask "is this legitimate?"

He's aware of computer viruses, but I think he's really on the lookout for scams, which is an interesting and effective approach.

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[-] dontblink@feddit.it 206 points 2 years ago
[-] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 219 points 2 years ago

I absolutely lost it the first time he called me a nerd for using Arch and straight up started doing Fedora elitism lmao

[-] vulnerability@sh.itjust.works 91 points 2 years ago

Time to become a toxic arch elitist user now.

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[-] astraeus@programming.dev 32 points 2 years ago

What your brother sees in Arch: Oh no another driver update, let me write a paragraph in computer language

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[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 169 points 2 years ago

He also keeps explaining to me why Fedora better than my “nerd OS”

lol he's already a true linux user.

But probably best to have a talk about gatekeeping linux though. There's no wrong way to run linux.

[-] vsis@feddit.cl 38 points 2 years ago

haha I thought exactly the same thing lol He's linuxplained why his distro is better. That's the spirit.

[-] Noobg@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

I mean, there are definitely wrong ways to run Linux, like a single root user with no password, but your point is well taken. If Linux fanboys would keep the subjective gatekeeping to themselves the new user experience would be much more pleasant.

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[-] pterencephalon@lemmy.world 132 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My older sibling did something similar - getting Ubuntu installed on my very first laptop (a 9" netbook) back in 2008 and replacing windows XP. But be warned: it is a slippery slope. At the time , I just wanted a computer that I could take class notes on (high school), and never wanted to touch programming or the terminal. Now I have a PhD in computer science. I still don't use Arch though.

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[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 95 points 2 years ago

He also keeps explaining to me why Fedora better than my “nerd OS”

Your brother is the wise guy of the bell curve

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[-] hare_ware@pawb.social 71 points 2 years ago

He also keeps explaining to me why Fedora better than my “nerd OS”

Complaining about what works for other people? It is tradition. It's innate Linux user behavior.

[-] peppy@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago
[-] bear@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 year ago

The children yearn for the distro wars

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[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago

Is this a made-up story? Be honest

[-] elxeno@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Yes, it's just for OP to say "I use Arch".

[-] funnystuff97@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

The kid's name? Little Bobby Tables.

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[-] shirro@aussie.zone 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My kids have been gaming all day on Steam. They have zero intellectual curiosity about the system they are using. They have been using Arch for years but it might as well be a console or Mac. They log in and launch a web browser, Steam or a Minecraft launcher and that is it. It makes me a bit sad.

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago

The fact that they're gaming on it means they'll know how to use it later

When I was that age I didn't think much about the system I was using, it doesn't really appeal to kids but they'll still be learning

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[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 years ago

Why are you doing that nerdy terminal stuff

That is a legitimate question. I still don't fully understand people's obsession about terminal. It's 2023, we should be able to do everything comfortably using GUI rather than type everything, remembering all the commands, parameters, paths, permissions etc.

As a terminal fan, my main reasons for preferring them over a gui (for some tasks) are:

  1. It's faster to type than to navigate menus
  2. If I don't know where something is and can't guess it instantly, it's usually faster to search for it in a man page than randomly digging through gui menus
  3. You can combine commands with each other with pipes or $()
  4. You can search through your command history to find previous commands
  5. You can write scripts and aliases to automate common tasks
  6. The terminal requires less context switching. Typing ten commands is less mentally taxing than opening ten different guis

The barrier for entry is higher with terminals but unless you need visual feedback (e.g. because you're editing an image) it's easier and faster for both common and rare tasks.

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[-] eruchitanda@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

I use NerdOS BTW.

(That's fantastic, I absolutely love it.)

[-] GammaScorpii@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

Linus surely just stages things for clicks. No one with his experience could be that dumb.

[-] pearsche@lemdro.id 24 points 2 years ago

I actually remember reddit posts complaining they hit the same bug as he did, some days prior and also some days later lol

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[-] jman6495@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 years ago

From now on I'm only refering to arch as "the nerd OS"

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[-] KyRoLen@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

Tech literacy amongst the youth is rapidly going down. Good on you.

[-] MrCheeze445@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 years ago

maybe unpopular opinion here but while it was user error, Linus breaking the OS by installing steam is something that should have never been possible, anyways glad to hear your brother is learning Linux!

[-] this_is_router@feddit.de 28 points 2 years ago

the os should do as i say, that includes breaking it if i please. the problem are people writing into the terminal "i understand that i uninstall half my os with this command but want to do it anyway" and then wonder why half their os gets uninstalled.

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[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

IDK about plasma, but in GNOME, if you search for PowerPoint, it shows LibreOffice Impress as a result.

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[-] SlovenianSocket@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 years ago

My elderly mother has been using Linux for almost 10 years. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a single tech support phone call from her for it

[-] MrSlicer@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

I don't think I want to meet a 12 year old who uses power point. Jk lol

[-] Someology@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

They all use it if they want to pass school, so you are out of luck.

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[-] super_user_do@feddit.it 20 points 2 years ago

My grandfather uses Ubuntu (bad distro bruh) and he loves it

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I still maintained that Linus fucked up those Linux videos on purpose. Not sure why but for a guy in the tech industry he really played dumb.

Really pissed me off. What has he got against Linux?

[-] gamebuster@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Blaming Linus for breaking Linux is what's wrong with the Linux community. You guys are so blind to the obvious glaring issues with Linux Desktop that any time something goes wrong, it must have been the user who did something stupid.

Sure, you CAN get it working the first time without issues, but the amount of times I tried Linux Desktop without any issues is 0. Every single time I installed Linux, I had some kind of breaking issue. I have tried multiple times between 2007 and 2021 and I'll likely try again soon, but don't kid yourself that people "play dumb" or something. Linux is as stable as the user makes it, and with instable, fragile, incompetent users (like most new users) come a fragile OS that cannot be relied upon.

I'm 100% sure if I try to install Ubuntu Desktop right now on my desktop, I'll again encounter some BS thing that just doesn't work like it should. Maybe the audio won't work, or bluetooth just drops out constantly, or it randomly freezes, or YT videos don't play at any decent framerate. Maybe everything works fine, but in 4 days some random thing doesn't. And once some thing doesn't work, you'll have to waddle through a sea of sudo commands that you have no clue what they're doing and you either fix the issue or break something else.

Note that I specifically mention Linux Desktop every time. Linux as a Server is great.

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[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago

Good work son

[-] supermurs@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

Such a wholesome story 😊

So happy to hear that he is enjoying Linux and you guys are doing things together.

[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago

You taught your brother well! I'm glad he is having a positive experience with it.

[-] retiolus@lemmy.cat 17 points 2 years ago

😍😍😍

[-] khuldraeseth@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He only asks me things like "What was the name of PowerPoint for Linux" once in a while

Show him https://alternativeto.net and that also drops to zero :)

[-] bankimu@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

This is the kind of things I like to hear!

[-] reflex@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
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