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[-] trias10@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago

I think this article misses the forest for the trees. The real "evil" here is capitalism, not AI. Capitalism encourages a race towards optimality with no care to what happens to workers. Just like the invention of the car put carriage makers out of business, so AI will be used to by company owners to cut costs if it serves them. It has been like this for over a 100 years, AI is just the latest technology to come along. I'm old enough to remember tons of these same doom and gloom articles about workers losing their jobs when the internet revolution hit in the late 90s. And probably many people did lose jobs, but many new jobs were created too.

[-] monobot@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

This person explains all her failures: insted of adopting and using chatgpt herself, reducing price and finding more clients she did nothing.

She was writing most boring pieces of text than no one is reading (corporate blog posts and spam emails).

Refused to learn new things which would keep her in position.

Yes, some jobs disappear other appear. I believe that 90+% of today's jobs didn't exist even 50 years ago. Especially not without will to learn new ways of doing things. Imagine farmer with knowledge of 100 years ago. Or hotel front desk worker without computer and telephone.

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

For mid-level writers, which she was, using AI doesn't work. The few remaining clients you have specifically don't want AI to be used. So you either lie and deceive them or you stay away from AI.

And using AI to lower prices and finding new clients also doesn't work. Writers are already competing against writers from nations with much lower cost of living who do the same work for a fraction of the cost. But the big advantage that domestic writers had was a batter grasp of the language and culture. These advantages are mostly lost if you start using AI. So if that's your business plan you are in a race to the bottom. It's not sustainable and you will be out of a job in maybe 3-5 years.

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[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

At the end of the day if an AI can do the job to an acceptable standard a human doesn't need to be doing it.

As you say it's happened to countless industries and will continue to happen.

[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Except that the 'AI' is fed by the work of actual humans, and as time goes on, they will be trained more and more on the imperfect output of other AIs, which will eventually result in their output being total bizarre crap. Meanwhile, humans stopped training at whatever task since they couldn't be paid to do it anymore, so there's no new human material.

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[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I'm really having a hard time thinking about what jobs this would create though. I get the internet thing, as people needed to create and maintain all aspects of it, so jobs are created. If some massive corporation makes the AI and all others use the AI, there's no real infrastructure. The same IT guys maintain the systems at AI corp. What's left to be done with it/for it by "common folk?"

[-] trias10@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of companies out there (and growing daily) who want to do AI in house, and can't (or don't want) to send their data to some monolithic, blackbox company which has no transparency. The finance industry, for example, cannot send any data to some third party company like OpenAI (ChatGPT) for compliance reasons, so they are building teams to develop and maintain their own AI models in-house (SFT, RLHF, MLOps, etc).

There are lots of jobs being created in AI daily, and they're generally high paying, but they're also very highly skilled, so it's difficult to retrain into them unless you already have a strong math and programming background. And the number of jobs being created is definitely a lot, lot less than the potential number of jobs lost to AI, but this may change over time.

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[-] Sheltac@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not optimality. Maximum profit. Very different from any definition of optimal I would personally use.

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[-] yiliu@informis.land 8 points 1 year ago

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious. The 'evil' is the same force that replaced carriages with cars? The world would be better if carriage-making was still a critical profession?

[-] Silvus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Unrelated agreement, the world would be better off if we had skipped cars.

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[-] Rayspekt@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago

It's comical how she uses the example of the printing press in her introduction. Are we really sad that we don't have to rely on monks copying books?

[-] dethb0y@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah not to mention do we really need human labor for the jobs she was doing: " I'd work on webpages, branded blogs, online articles, social-media captions, and email-marketing campaigns."

Email marketing campaigns? Social media captions? Branded blogs? You'd think she'd be happy to be free of it.

I imagine the prestige of being able to tell people she was a "professional writer" was worth something to her mentally, but 'cmon...she was a marketing droid. She's just been replaced by another marketing droid.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, we do still need to have Monks copying books, but not for the latest Romance Novel. Let the machine do what it does well, and crank out millions of copies of dreck. However the remaining monks might still find good employment going upscale, competing for prestige and quality, rather than quantity or turnaround time.

This author wants to keep turning out quantities of dreck, but now there’s a cheaper way, yet she doesn’t seem interested in trying to upscale to a product where humans are still better than AI (I assume them are what she means by “funnels”)

I’m in the tech field so my point if comparison is outsourcing. We had a couple decades where management decided the most profitable way to do business was outsourcing quantities of dreck to lowest priced providers in third world countries. That even drove racism that hadn’t previously existed. However more recently the companies I work for are more likely to be looking for quality partners or employees in different time zones and price points. Suddenly results are much better now that our primary concern is no longer lowest price. Don’t be a monkey banging on a type writer for an abusive sweatshop in a third world country that can be replaced by someone or something yet cheaper, but upscale to being a respected engineer in a different time zone making a meaningful contribution to the technical base

[-] laylawashere44 7 points 1 year ago

It is often argued that Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press, was the most influential man in history. The printing press is the root of practically everything that we take for granted today. From republican government to basically all technology ever.

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I have no skills that couldn't easily be automated, please have sympathy for me"

I guess her "undeniable beauty" isn't enough to carry her to fame and fortune. What a pitiful article.

[-] CrunchyBoy@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

I think the "undeniable beauty" bit was a joke.

I think she has a good point at the end. Lots of us think we have skills that can't be replicated by a machine, but companies would rather have something replicated poorly by a machine if it saves them money.

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[-] nyar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Copy done by ai is dull garbage.

[-] KonekoSalem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Whatever ai is meant to be replacing here has to be garbage to begin with, if ai can replace it.

[-] cassetti@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Remember when big corporations thought they could outsource 100% of customer service to india many years ago? Remember how well that went?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdichter/2019/03/30/call-centers-return-to-the-u-s-more-companies-get-the-link-between-customer-service-and-profit/

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[-] sethw@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've read lots of dull copy written by humans. even if their first draft was good (and it probably wasnt) it still goes through a committee that sterilizes it in the end anyway

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[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

That is actually a good reason to be sympathetic, being displaced by new technology.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I'm not sure where this attitude of "Fuck people who did work and developed skills in fields that employers thought were necessary, but now suddenly the new hotness is believing that they're not" is coming from. Smug superiority based on the avenue through which you allow yourself to be exploited is pretty fucking dark, and says nothing good about the people espousing that mindset.

Edit: Unsurprisingly downvoted by someone who seems to have mistaken themselves as smarter than the average bear and unreplaceable. "I was interested in a thing that turned out to be more lucrative than you" isn't a good enough reason to look down on other people, folks. None of us deserve more comfort than anyone else, especially not because we liked something other people didn't. Believing otherwise is just anti-social, sociopathic bullshit.

[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

It's neoliberal economics where the economy exists for its own sake.

[-] thorbot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You're generalizing a LOT here. The attitude isn't typically "fuck people who did work"... it's "I don't have sympathy for you if your job role was so piss poor that a language model could scrape up data already present in the world and slap it together better than you can." AI is still extremely limited and the results it produces are fed from other sources, and very soon itself, as it generates more and more. A human is capable of complex, self critical, unique thoughts. If the human in that job role was doing any sort of critical thinking, a robot would not be able to replace them. AI isn't all powerful and all knowing. It's pretty shit. And if you can be replaced by it, you're shit at your job.

[-] Kichae@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

If you don't have sympathy for people because they lost their livelihood, and the reason for that loss isn't that they were themselves rotten people making other people's lives worse, then you're a rotten person.

Full stop. End of discussion. Kindly exit society, we don't need more people like you in it.

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[-] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

For the past several years I worked as a full-time freelance copywriter; I'd work on webpages, branded blogs, online articles, social-media captions, and email-marketing campaigns.

Turns out when all you need is low-quality product, and a machine can do it cheaper, that's what people will choose. It's shitty that this affects people's livelihood in the short term, but this is what happens in capitalism.

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[-] Dr_Decoy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

THE POORLY WRITTEN SENTENCE with the typo right at at the punchline doesn’t help her case: “The contract was six months, because that's how long it'd take the AI would learn to write just like me but better, faster, and cheaper.” Yep. Better than that.

[-] lunarshot@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

This is a complex issue!

On one hand, I’m not sure what kind of consistent and great results people are getting with GPT today. It’s an amazing tool but it is still lacking in a lot of ways.

Into the future? I think a lot of the jobs will change dramatically and entirely new ones will exist.

Adaptation is necessary in life, a disruptive technology has been created and we are just starting to understand it.

[-] Phanatik@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

The results which are probably not ideal isn't so much of a problem when you factor in the costs. GPT is good good enough for far cheaper and that's why people are being replaced.

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[-] arawnsd@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

“ unless that writer could also provide email management and a funnel-building system, most likely because of the newfound popularity of ChatGPT.”

So they moved to a more complex managed marketing program. Email and funneling have nothing to do with chatgpt.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 17 points 1 year ago

the horse whip & buggy industry still hasnt recovered

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Meanwhile ChatGPT:

Why did the comedian lose their job to an AI? Because they just couldn't "crack" the code like the AI could! The AI had the audience "programmed" to laugh, while the comedian was left "debugging" their routine. Talk about a real "byte" to the ego!

If you're a comedian, and you lost your job to this, well, maybe it's for the better?

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought my job would have been automated already, but it turns out that AI doesn't make an acceptable scapegoat when things go wrong.

[-] Rayspekt@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Now introducing AI Fall Guy

[-] PenguinJuice@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

While I understand the concept of this article. Its really not a good example.

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[-] dudinax@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

That's why I've seen so many dead-eyed sample passers taking the jobs of old ladies.

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

People had these same concerns are troubles during the industrial revolution, when machines started to work better, faster, and cheaper than human labor doing the same job. Is there going to be a serious upheaval in labor again? Yup. Is it a bad thing for the world? In some ways yes, in other ways no.

The industrial revolution has done horrible things to the global environment. At the same time, many more people are much better off today than they were in the early 19th century.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

AI isn't better, it is cheaper.

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[-] TheFutureIsDelaware@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is not like the industrial revolution. You really should examine why you think "we figured other things out in the past" is such an appealing narrative to you that you're willing to believe the reassurance it gives you over the clear evidence in front of you. But I'll just quote Hofstadter (someone who has enough qualifications that their opinion should make you seriously question whether you have arrived at yours based on wishful thinking or actual evidence):

"And my whole intellectual edifice, my system of beliefs... It's a very traumatic experience when some of your most core beliefs about the world start collapsing. And especially when you think that human beings are soon going to be eclipsed. It felt as if not only are my belief systems collapsing, but it feels as if the entire human race is going to be eclipsed and left in the dust soon. People ask me, "What do you mean by 'soon'?" And I don't know what I really mean. I don't have any way of knowing. But some part of me says 5 years, some part of me says 20 years, some part of me says, "I don't know, I have no idea." But the progress, the accelerating progress, has been so unexpected, so completely caught me off guard, not only myself but many, many people, that there is a certain kind of terror of an oncoming tsunami that is going to catch all humanity off guard."

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Bald-faced appeal to authority, okay. With a side of putting words in my mouth that I clearly did not say.

The industrial revolution destroyed some jobs, and created others. Destroyed some industries, and created others. We've been in an "information revolution" for some time, where electronic computers have supplanted human computers, and opened up an enormous realm of communication, discovery, and availability of information to so many more people than ever before in history. This is simply true.

Just as the landscape of human physical labor was forever changed by the industrial revolution, the landscape of human thinking labor will continue to be forever changed by this information revolution. AI is a potential accelerator of this information revolution, which we are already seeing the impacts of, even at this extremely early stage in the development of AI. There will be both good and bad outcomes.

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