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Last July, San Jose issued an open invitation to technology companies to mount cameras on a municipal vehicle that began periodically driving through the city’s district 10 in December, collecting footage of the streets and public spaces. The images are fed into computer vision software and used to train the companies’ algorithms to detect the unwanted objects, according to interviews and documents the Guardian obtained through public records requests.

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[-] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 109 points 2 years ago

So instead of spending X dollars to ensure people have homes, we spend X++ dollars to evict them from their spaces?

[-] horsey@lemm.ee 72 points 2 years ago

Sure, it’s like how NYC spent $150 million to bust people evading $105,000 in subway fees. Absolutely anything to avoid legitimately helping people.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

That is a stupid issue with Mayor Adams, but NYC legitimately spends millions on housing the homeless. The city has to get you shelter. It's the law.

[-] uriel238 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

NYC has less than 5% unsheltered in contrast to San Francisco which has 30% unsheltered homeless per night. the driving force of this is the freezing winter in New York, which presents a hazard habitating outside. New York has to choose between making sure everyone gets a warm place, or they get to pick up the dead bodies.

California has a particularly high per-capita homeless population despite efforts toward housing. A large factor is NIMBY homeownership in which HOAs are determined to preserve property values and are a strong lobbying force.

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[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

How long has this been a law? The last time I went to NY I saw plenty of people sleeping in Penn Station.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Since 1981:

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2021/10/how-nycs-right-shelter-mandate-works/185933/

And why would you think people wouldn't be able to sleep in a train station? It's just like an airport.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

At least one person I saw was in the stairwells on the way from a waiting area down to a train platform. I don't think passengers would want to sleep in the corridor between the gate and the plane at an airport, but you're right, perhaps it is only the locked door that is holding them back.

Now I am kinda curious why they were staying there if they were supposed to be guaranteed shelter. I wouldn't be surprised if the state failed to house them despite the law and that was the warmest place they could find or if the offered accommodations were unfit or dangerous.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised

You are just guessing. Look into it more. They are put up in places that are pretty decent for homeless shelters. They're usually cheap hotels, so you get your own room but no kitchen. It's not somewhere you want to live, but it's 100x better than a train station.

Most homeless people are fine in them, but they have security watching the door so you can't have a party, you can't have pets, and you can't have drugs. Maybe you can't smoke. Some people don't want to live under those conditions. Other people have mental illness and don't want to be in any shelter.

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[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

The suffering is the point. They want the threat of homelessness to keep the masses in line.

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

How else would the mega rich be able to buy up the property and rent out the spaces for normal people to finance?

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago

It's literally cheaper to provide the unhoused with healthcare. Not just for them, but for housed people and all taxpayers. But we (as a society) don't. At this point I feel it's literally about cruelty, and punishing them for their "life choices". And you think we'll just give them homes!?

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[-] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago

quite ironically in this context, san jose is named after st. joseph -- he of the legal dad of jesus fame -- who was once famously told there was no room at the inn and had to make do in a stable.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sounds about right for American-christianity.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Only if you're charging a luxury room price for the stable.

[-] the_rogue@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 years ago

And help them right ? RIGHT ?

[-] Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

If only we didn’t live in a dystopia and that was what this was for.

[-] the_rogue@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago

One can only dream i guess.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

San Jose's homeless is a very mixed bag. some wanting to be perpetually homeless, some actual recently loss home and is savable, some on the streets due to drugs (friend had a story where homeless asked for a burger, but refused one from a burger joint nearest by (implied wanted money for drugs)).

Weeding out whose helpable isnt an easy task, because not all homeless share the same reason on how they got to that lifestyle.

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[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 41 points 2 years ago
[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

They’ve already been using it to give probably cause and as evidence that all black people are the same and therefore guilty. I’m referring to facial recognition

[-] furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 years ago

this brave new future which we live in fucking sucks

[-] profdc9@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

Every year California is becoming more like Night City. Cyperpunk is supposed to be a dystopia, not an aspiration.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

"unwanted objects"

[-] uis@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

Is it done to give them home quicker? Is it?

*sigh*

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

We're all shocked that New Technology X is used to target and oppress people

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

the accuracy for lived-in cars is still far lower: between 10 and 15%

Sounds like the tech isn’t terribly useful

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

They start out identifying the various "races" probably. I'm a brown person and would like to keep reminding everyone that different races do not exist in the sense that it is not a scientific term with any meaning. A term with proper meaning is "species" and there is only one "homosapiens".... it's not just Juantastic who lives under the bridge, it's all of us. We are all a single family. Anyway, would you let your brother or sister or parents or relatives go live under a bridge and hungry? Nah right? What if they were thousands of miles away and didn't have a place to sleep in? Still nah! You would do whatever to try to help! So why are there homeless people in every city and why do we not help Gaza and Ukraine people? Right? We need to do a better job!

[-] insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

Maybe it's to help them.

Don't tell me, I like the illusion.

[-] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

From the screen grabs, Since when is a legally street parked RV a homeless encampment? Looks like picking low hanging fruit for campaign talking points.

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

This sounds like a real opportunity for false positives as opposed to, I dunno, engaging with the community?

This might actually get struck down on constitutionality. How does one confront their accuser in court if the accuser is a trained neural net?

And that’s without even touching on the fact that ML is stochastic in nature, and should absolutely not be considered accurate enough to be an unsupervised and unmoderated single-point-of-failure decision engine in contexts like legal, medical, or other critical decision-making process. The fact that ML regularly and demonstrably hallucinates (or otherwise yields garbage output) is just not acceptable in a regulatory sense.

Source: software engineer in biotech; we are specifically disallowed from using ML at any level in our work for the above reasons, as well as potential HIPAA-related data mining issues.

I don’t know much about jurisprudence, but wouldn’t the neural net be a tool of the person that brought the lawsuit.

Like if you get brought in due to DNA, you don’t have to face the centrifuge that helped extract your DNA from the sample?

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[-] TheControlled@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Maybe you cope with the noxium of urine created amonia, the feces, the needles, the petty crime, and getting hassled and called a "fa**ot" for not having a $1 bill in San Jose, Oakland, SF, or LA but I cannot. All the well wishes are nice, and I would love love if the homeless could be put into unused office space or whatever pipedream is trendy at the time (and there have been a lot of pipedreams in my shortish life). But I want them gone, I want the worse-than-a-favela shantytowns, and I want the smell gone. I don't really give a shit how it's done so long as it isn't cruel or illegal.

So sick to death of all the magical thinking from other liberals in this state. We have the run the of the place and homeless is worse by 5 fold. And the Republicans are just practically begging for mass execution and deportation, as is their way.

I don't care anymore. Just go away.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

You just want them gone, how uhh, how are you going to do that?

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[-] anonymous222@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Holy Mackerel! Could this be any more of an extremely boring dumb and awful cyberpunk dystopia? Good God!

[-] wolfruff@pawb.social 7 points 2 years ago
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