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The malnourished and badly bruised son of a parenting advice YouTuber politely asks a neighbor to take him to the nearest police station in newly released video from the day his mother and her business partner were arrested on child abuse charges in southern Utah.

The 12-year-old son of Ruby Franke, a mother of six who dispensed advice to millions via a popular YouTube channel, had escaped through a window and approached several nearby homes until someone answered the door, according to documents released Friday by the Washington County Attorney’s office. 

Crime scene photos, body camera video and interrogation tapes were released a month after Franke and business partner Jodi Hildebrandt, a mental health counselor, were each sentenced to up to 30 years in prison. A police investigation determined religious extremism motivated the women to inflict horrific abuse on Franke’s children, Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke announced Friday.

“The women appeared to fully believe that the abuse they inflicted was necessary to teach the children how to properly repent for imagined ‘sins’ and to cast the evil spirits out of their bodies,” Clarke said.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 143 points 1 year ago

The boy later told investigators that Hildebrandt had used rope to bind his arms and his feet to weights on the ground. She used a mixture of cayenne pepper and honey to dress his wounds, according to the police report.

In handwritten journal entries also released Friday, Franke chronicles months of daily abuse that included starving her son and 9-year-old daughter, forcing them to work for hours in the summer heat and isolating them from the outside world. The women often made the kids sleep on hard floors and sometimes locked them in a concrete bunker in Hildebrandt’s basement.

In a July 2023 entry titled “Big day for evil,” she describes holding the boy’s head under water and closing off his mouth and nose with her hands.

Body camera video shows officers entering Hildebrandt’s house and detaining her on the couch while others scour the winding hallways in search of the young girl. They quickly discover a child with a buzzcut sitting cross-legged in a dark, empty closet. After hours of sitting with the girl and feeding her pizza, police coax her out.

Wtf, i can't imagine being raised like this 😭

[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 103 points 1 year ago

Religion as the basis for the justification of the suffering of children...

Is reason alone to avoid it.

My heart aches for the 12-year old boy and his siblings. I feel so bad for them. I hope they are getting the care they need.

[-] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago

Friendly reminder to everyone that the rest of the world has signed on the United Nation's Connvention on the Rights of the Child; the US doesn't like that it could prevent children from being spanked, because God wants us to spank our children (spare the rod, spoil the child).

Religion is often a basis for the suffering of children.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

And zero self reflection. They never point their hyper-critical eyes towards a mirror.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Oh they do, but their flaws are human foibles, not being posessed by a demon.

They're self-centered pieces of shit that use double standards.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

Their actions have been condemned by other Mormon parenting bloggers who say they misrepresented their community and the religion

Oh bullshit. These religious zealots get together every fucking week at church and pretend they didn't know this abuse was happening? Mormons are a cult and should be treated as such.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

That's not how it works...

[-] FilterItOut@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago

When it comes to mormons, never forget that they had networks of their pastors and elders to hide and ignore abuse. They were more systematic about it than the cuntish catholics.

https://apnews.com/article/mormon-sex-abuse-de446ad8212b6ca50ecbaaf222c35e7e

https://apnews.com/article/mormon-church-sexual-abuse-investigation-e0e39cf9aa4fbe0d8c1442033b894660

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago

I guess "religious extremism" is accurate, but this is batshit insanity as well. There is something very, very wrong in this woman's brain, and it requires treatment. While she rots in prison of course.

[-] frickineh@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

There are many, many Christians who abuse their kids under the guise of godliness. Ever heard of "To Train Up a Child"? It's a whole book about how to properly abuse your child to turn them into a mindless, obedient slave. They start hitting them as infants for showing curiosity. There are popular Christian influencers who have openly spoken about the ways they "discipline" their kids - one said her husband "doesn't know his own strength" with their kids. Aka he's beaten the shit out of them more than once. Sure, Ruby Franke turned it up to 11, but she and her husband routinely abused their children and were public about it for years, and plenty of people saw no problem with it and continued to consume their content.

I'd argue it's not mental illness, it's the natural consequence of practicing a branch of Christianity that doesn't see children as people, just little trophies who aren't meant to have any personality, needs, or wants. They're supposed to parrot everything their parents believe and otherwise not be seen or heard.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

Your argument is good, and your views have merit. Which is super fucking depressing.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

What?

This is par for the course.

Pretty much every Abrahmic offshoot was started by someone who was completely insane.

According to their own history, it all kicked off with Abraham killing family members because a voice in his head told him that anyone doubting the voice needs murdered.

He was violent and insane and now literally billions and billions of people worship the voice he invented, and legitimately believe that if a voice in their head shows up telling them to do horrible shit, it's probably cool because maybe it's just God again.

There is absolutely nothing surprising when a person who not only believes those fairy tales, but come from a family they may have spent thousands of years believing them, starts thinking theyre the next "special one".

Sure, most people dont actually believe in their own religions. But they pretend it's real, and then the really crazy ones do shit like this.

Being shocked this keeps happening is like asking why your car runs out of gas when you never put gas in it until after the tanks dry

This is the rational result of what they're doing.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

You'd often finds that religious extremists prefer to prey on the mentally unwell. They're more susceptible to abuse and easier to turn into abusers themselves. Then the chain repeats and the abuse self-replicates, propagating the abuse. Very sane and well adjusted individuals can be made to be really cruel and destructive via religious abuse.

[-] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 15 points 1 year ago

Her business partner (and co-defendant) is described as a "mental health counselor." I'm sure she's fine.

/s

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[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

typical religious nut, dont let them fool you in to thinking that this person is an outlier

[-] Mrderisant@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

But they are an outlier... if they weren't people wouldn't be so horrified.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

We're horrified because it's horrible, not because it's unusual. Not the first time I've been horrified today, unfortunately.

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Roflmao pointing out an outlier is an outlier gets you downvoted on Lemmy. We don’t take kindly to people who defend religious types ‘round here.

[-] FilterItOut@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This person's actions are an outlier, but the beliefs are not. My own mother held very similar ones during my early years, and the circle of women at the church was not shy in voicing their opinions which, oh so outlier-like, were also similar to this woman's. That was in an eastern US state, in a protestant church. Don't forget that the US had the (insanity of) belief in the childcare cults of satan, that D&D was from satan, that rock music was the road to satan, etc. Those were massive, widespread beliefs. They haven't gone away entirely. Talk to members of a rural church, and you'll hear the subtle hints of all those things, but they've learned not to be overt.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 35 points 1 year ago

The bitterest part?

  • "Do not harm little children" - Church of Satan
  • "One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason." - The Satanic Temple

Are you getting the picture? People who claim themselves to side with Satan are more eager to show compassion than people who claim to fight against a devil. It immediately reminds me what my grandma used to say, that "Protestants love the devil so much that they talk about him nonstop". (Not that the Catholic church is any better, I know.)

[I'm not Satanist, regardless of my nickname, by the way.]

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just that she's crazy. Christianity in no way encourages abuse of children or even people who are demon possessed.

Psalm 127:3 ESV‬ [3] Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

‭Matthew 19:13-15 ESV‬ [13] Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, [14] but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” [15] And he laid his hands on them and went away.

‭Luke 17:2 ESV‬ [2] It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.

It's just a paranoid/crazy person masquerading as religious.

Edit: turns out she isn't even a Christian, she's a Mormon. I guessed she was a Protestant Christian from your message.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Give Deuteronomy 21:18-21 a check. Abridged version for you: unruly children should be stoned. What she did is biblically justified. You'll also find some "fun" stuff that should guide her actions in Exodus 21:15-17 and Psalm 137:8-9.

Of course, someone could play that game that Christian denominations love to play - where you redefine the canon for to include/exclude books based on which actions you want to justify. But that's from the Pentateuch, so kind of hard to brush off. Why is this disgusting shit there on first place?

In the meantime, the Satanists actually have rules to act with compassion and to not harm children. Yup.

Edit: turns out she isn’t even a Christian, she’s a Mormon. I guessed she was a Protestant Christian from your message.

Christians also love to play the "that group there is not Christian, even if they follow the Bible and call themselves Christians". I see this fairly often here... except that it's towards Protestants (that, acc. to the local mindset, includes Mormons, for the annoyance of both).

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[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

turns out she isn't even a Christian

Oh, that's weird, cuz she sure sounds like one....

she's a Mormon

That's Christian. You even say so yourself right afterwards:

she was a Protestant Christian

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[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

These children deserve better. I cried when I watched the little girl inside the closet and the cops giving a pizza to her.

I would adopt that little girl and raise her as my own. She deserves a better life.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

He forgot the famous aphorism, "feed a demon, starve an evangelist"

[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I keep saying this, but the issue are the people that watch these videos. If they didn't have followers they wouldn't be where they are or could do what they do. (But in this case, maybe even without all the money they still would have abused those poor kids)

[-] ULS@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I don't think society understands the scale of ignorance and evil of other humans that walk among us. I used to always say it's 50/50. But I think it's more like 75/25 and decent people with respect for life are the minority. It feels like it's game over for humanity.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 32 points 1 year ago

its the opposite. most people are genuinely decent folk. the world is actually getting safer despite what you see and hear because we now see and hear so much more than we used to. its a confirmation bias.

at some point we will realize that religion itself is a cancer. like most cancers, it has a strong benign composition with many deadly streaks.

just like with benign cancers, it must be excised and treated as the mental health problem it is.

[-] hypnotoad__@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately too late I think. It's metastasized.

[-] forrgott@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Left to their own devices, a very strong majority of people default to being "good" people (I generally consider "good" is self sacrifice for the good is the many, and similar thinking and behavior - "evil" is selfish actions and 'the end justify the means'). However, people are unfortunately not left to their own devices due to algorithms, echo chambers, propaganda, etc.

And evil is far easier to spread than good is....

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What the actual fuck? These women are sick. There’s a deeper reason (like ~~some mental illnesses or~~ sociopathy) for why these women did these things, and their motivations should be examined. If we know more about such things, we can hopefully protect against other people with such behavior in the future.

Sure, we can blame religion, but what if religion didn’t exist? Would people like these women not exist either, or would they use another excuse for their behavior?

[-] solarbabies@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Until a mental health issue has been concretely determined, I believe it's somewhat irresponsible to toss the idea around that it's the underlying root cause for this obscene behavior.

Religion, like other dogmas, has historically empowered and continues to empower a lot of otherwise mentally healthy people to feel okay doing plenty of fucked up shit, simply because religion said it's okay to do it.

Ever heard of the Stanford Prisoner Experiment? Many "normal" people will do terrible things if simply given permission.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

That experiment was recently shown to be a lie, https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication

But I think you’re right that people go along with a lot simply because of religious doctrine. There are plenty of cases of failed “exorcisms”

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I mean, religions are fucked in all kinds of ways and can certainly fuck up their followers in a systemic way but in this instance I'm not sure Mormonism is teaching emaciation of children, more like they were attributing their fucked up impulses to religion.

[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

If religion didn’t exist, a lot of this bullshit wouldn’t happen. Some still would, but a good portion wouldn’t happen.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Let me guess.. Mormons?

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

“I will not feed a demon” says Youtuber – is a fun headline.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Whole lot of irony in that one sentence.

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