AOC decries ‘unfolding genocide’ in Gaza, urges halting weapons to Israel : worldnews

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 84 points 1 year ago

I really do wonder how much of Gaza and its people are left standing and alive? Like what the real numbers of deaths are as the fog of war makes it so hard to really know. I fear once the world really reacts it will be too late. Maybe already is. So upsetting. All the wars are upsetting to me and so unnecessary.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Targeting the hospitals was a deliberate tactic to make this kind of information harder to reliably gather and disseminate.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Targeting journalists and UNRWA was also a deliberate attack to suppress the information going out of Gaza and also to cause the biggest possible suffering to the civilian population.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

I feel its also important to note that they target more than just the journalists themselves, they also target their families. It's really is staggering how deep the depravity goes.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Targeting all network and power infrastructure also prevented many people from sharing information on their phones.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

If Israel succeeds, we'll never know.

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Is it not the opposite?

[-] Pascal@lemdro.id 19 points 1 year ago

Part of "israel" succeeding would mean obscuring the situation by continuing to kill journalists and by propaganda

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I think what he’s trying to say is that Israel succeeding would mean all of the Palestinians are dead, making the number of deaths equal or close to the population who remained.

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[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 1 year ago

And how many are not severely traumatized. Probably close to zero.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 80 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Better late than never I guess

no world in which the forced famine of 1.1 million people cannot be considered genocide

She should consider also applying this knowledge to the embargo on the Cuban people

Edit: Obviously not trying to downplay the genocide in Gaza if it came across like that.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think she's done that as well

https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-demonstrations-cuba

We also must name the U.S. contribution to Cuban suffering: our sixty-year-old embargo. Last month, once again, the U.N. voted overwhelmingly to call on the United States to lift its embargo on Cuba. The embargo is absurdly cruel and, like too many other U.S. policies targeting Latin Americans, the cruelty is the point. I outright reject the Biden administration’s defense of the embargo. It is never acceptable for us to use cruelty as a point of leverage against every day people

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Ooh based

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 54 points 1 year ago

AOC has been calling for a cease fire and more aid since last year. She might not have used the word genocide until now, but it's not like she has been cool with things up till now either.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago

The fact that Alex Jones beat her to the punch on calling it a genocide is embarrassing.

[-] Belastend@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only reason he did that was because it allowed him to rail against jews. Had it been done by America, Jones would have cheered.

[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Had it been done by America

The US isn't complicit. It (along with several European countries) are active participants by supplying weapons, intelligence and as is rumoured, bodies on the ground

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

Honestly this whole drama is so immature.

"What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they've now crossed a line and seem to be willing to remove them all from existence. This is a genocide, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo."

"What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they've now crossed a line and are killing people indiscriminately. The fact that some people are calling it a genocide is telling of the immense gravity of the situation, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo."

"How could you NOT call it a genocide??!?!?"

Both statements are virtually the same thing, have the same worries and are calling for the same solutions, yet the later get shat on because it doesn't virtue signal. There are lots of seemingly dumb reasons why politicians and PR departments may choose to use some terms and avoid others, and some of those decisions are mere pragmatism that doesn't change in essence their goal or effect. I think AOC has flaws, just like almost any politician, but making a gigantic deal out of this smells like it's been promoted by grifters looking to start drama.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

At the beginning she was very much on the Israel side. The well known "israel has the right to defend themselves". Even back then Israel was hitting hospitals.

She only flipped recently. Faster than the pure establishment Democrats, but still a very bad look.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 15 points 1 year ago

This article from back in October of '23 does not state that at all, and I never read her take the position of "Israel has the right to defend themselves", but rather the opposite.

Earlier, she called the events of the weekend “devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine” and said, “I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms.”

But she also called for an “immediate ceasefire and de-escalation".™

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

But it's easier to make things up without citation, so people are probably going to, in the end, believe the other guys sadly.

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[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 18 points 1 year ago

Pretty bad comparison when Cubans have higher life expectancy than Americans.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's thanks to the excellent healthcare system. The country is still lacking in food, medical supplies, and building materials — all of which could just be imported as necessary like any other country if not for the embargo.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

At this point, I think some American politicians and policy makers are afraid of Cuba surpassing the US in living conditions if the embargo is dropped, and Cuba is given a fair shot. A thriving Cuba would serve as fodder for a leftward push in politics in the US, and I don't think any of the lobbyists or their puppets want that, at all.

Not to mention that, given the average age of said politicians and policy makers, one can only assume many of their brains are heavily washed with the Red Scare era propaganda.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Dont be fooled. Shes doing this to not be voted out, not because she cares

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Why do you think she doesn't care about people dying? What would make you think that?

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Something about waiting after 40000 deaths to take a position

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Here she wants a ceasefire on Oct. 9: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine

And here she calls one of the methods a war crime: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduces-amendment-banning-israel-using-us-aid

Nov. 15 looks like where she's solidified the public position more firmly, and with associates https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-members-congress-call-biden-administration-establish-ceasefire-protect

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

"I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms. No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region."

Yeah, cant take it seriously.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Yes, completely expected that despite her calling for a ceasefire, you would find something objectionable that is also 100% disqualifying. Weird that what you chose is the condemnation of a terrorist attack but okay.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Resistance to colonization is not terrorism. Its a really weird point coming from people who praise so much your own fight against the British colonization

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Resistance to colonization is not terrorism.

It is literally, by definition, terrorism in this case. What you meant to say, if you put any thought into your position, is that terrorism isn't always bad. A significant weaker force using gorilla tactics and politics to fight a stronger force is the only hope they have to succeed. No one can expect Palestine to resist using conventional warfare.

Terrorism is a tool. The US engages in terrorism constantly. The police enforce their rule (in the US) by using terrorism. Just about every government uses terrorism. It's just only ok (as decided by the elites) when it's state sanctioned and by a stronger force against a weaker one.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

By definition by who? Can Hamas have saying in that too?

I define it as counter terrorism, since its against the terrorist occupation of palestine by settlers

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[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Nothing 'unfolding' about it. It's been mission genocide since day one.

[-] maynarkh@feddit.nl 19 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's more "intensifying".

[-] linkshandig@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Oh good, the bullying worked

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

The focus groups on whether or not using the term genocide would lose or gain support finally reported in.

A reminder that even the good politicians fucking aren't.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 23 points 1 year ago

AOC has had this position from the start. I'm getting so sick of edgy cynicism. If you really gave a shit then you would be paying more attention instead of seeking it.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Not calling it a Genocide is complicity

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Pls run for president in 2028

[-] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Agree.

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah I like to think that the threats to remove congressmen who use the word genocide to describe the actions of an ally have started to lose power since the ICJ ruling and the more recent War Crimes accusations.

[-] youngGoku@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

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[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Do you think Biden will face accountability for aiding in a clear as day, blatent genocide?

[-] Glytch@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

US Law states that we'll do anything and everything in our power to make sure no US official ever sees justice. So, no I highly doubt it.

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