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[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 313 points 9 months ago

et. al

I wouldn't mess with her, she contains multitudes!

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago
[-] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

We are Borg et al. Resistance is futile.

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[-] nick@midwest.social 146 points 9 months ago

What does “human drivers of fire” mean?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 138 points 9 months ago

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

There are many human drivers of fire, the first and foremost being, well you know, lighting a fire. And boy, do humans light a lot of fires.

Take for example, here is a map of active fires around the globe, right now:

First order human drivers of fire are things we actively or accidentally do to light a fire. Ignition is a fundamental for fire to happen, and humans cause WAY more ignition events than nature does. Things like a cook fire, burning brush or downed debris for management purposes, infrastructure like power lines or fueling stations, car accidents, lit cigarettes being thrown out etc.. etc.. The timing and frequency of these events directly influence the frequency of fires.

Second order drivers are things like vegetation management, home placing and construction, and other biophysical drivers. For example, introduction of invasive species like bromus tectorum, which burns very readily, represents more fine fuels in the environment. Yadayadayada more fires. Other things around vegetation management would fall into this category, such as the suppression of fire, or the psychical thinning of fuels in forests, or prescribed burns.

[-] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well I'm here so I guess I'll answer.

Are... are you McCarty et al., TropicalDingdong?

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 76 points 9 months ago

No no no, I'm an et al, just no any of those particular et al. I focus on wildfire risk and have read much on the topic. I've read McCarty and many more when it comes to understanding wildfire and wildfire risk. Some of my research focuses on wildfire risk, and spatial features as they relate to wildfire risk, so drivers becomes pretty important when it comes to wildfire risk modeling. I have taken several courses through NASA on the matter even though I don't focus on drivers directly.

This is the kind of thing I'm working on:

The nodes are features, the edges are weights. In this case I'm just looking at structure:structure risk.

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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago

I use geospatial science and data to document, analyze, and predict complexities of wildland and human-caused fire, from individual to global scales. I have a particular interest in fire emissions and modeling, regional food security, land-cover/land-use change, and the Arctic. As a mom, I am concerned with helping children and future generations have better lives.

https://jmccartygeo.org/

[-] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

This is my best guess without googling it or her.

[-] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 32 points 9 months ago

The only acceptable use of generative AI is to get the shit posts out faster

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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 39 points 9 months ago

It means she’s a trouble starter, punkin' instigator, fear addicted, a danger illustrated.

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

So, you're saying she's a firestarter? Twisted firestarter?

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 35 points 9 months ago

Probably just the totality of human influences on wildfires. This can include a wide range of activities and factors including climate change, forest preservation or cutting, changes in wild or domestic mammal herbivory, accidental ignition events, controlled burns, irrigation or diversion of streams, damming rivers, invasive species introductions, etc.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 35 points 9 months ago

Those who are deemed "Lit" in academic language.

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[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 140 points 9 months ago

She is McCarty for sure but I doubt that she is et al too ...

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Taking credit for the work of people who are barely even credited in the first place is… a way of responding. If only she had disappeared behind the curtain for a moment, re-emerging with everyone there with big hair and guitars and eye shadow and screamed “we are McCarty and the Et Als!!!”

Oh well; next time.

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 132 points 9 months ago

Funny, but what does the skin color have to do with the situation?

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 100 points 9 months ago

When a given demographic is a dominant presence in a given area (not necessarily work, it can be anything), there is a tendency for they demographic to start making assumptions about other demographics.

In most places, men are the dominant presence, and in most of the "western" world, they will also be white.

In this case, the individual who a white male was doing what's called colloquially, "mansplaining". He was correcting a woman when not only was the woman right, but was the very source he was using to correct her.

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

In this specific case, I suspect that the person making that post was pointing to the prejudice and stupidity of the person indirectly insulting her being a systemic issue arising from both gender and sexual entrenchment along with the privilege that allows the dominance of the white male demographic despite their being no quantifiable factor for that group to be dominant other than that privilege.

She, in other words, was pointing out a systemic issue by using an anecdote. Which can be a bit difficult to accept as evidence. Or would be if there wasn't a good century or so of giant piles of anecdotes from real people pointing to that systemic issue not only existing, but being something that holds everyone back.

Truth? Yes, women and people of color are going to assume they're right and whoever they're talking to is wrong just like any humans will. But white dudes have been pulling that crap for multiple generations, and anyone that isn't both white and male get sick of the bad behavior.

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

Pls stop generalizing this bad behavior upon all white men. It only serves to further the divide, and is completely unfair and uncalled for against those in the demographic who don't subscribe to those beliefs or patterns of behavior.

I'm not sure if that was your intent, that's just how it comes across and it makes it hard not to completely write off your argument/viewpoints for being unable to respect your neighbor.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

I'm a white man. I can absolutely generalize about a well known aspect of reality. It isn't in question that white men are currently in a position of overall privilege, and that as a group that position of privilege has the effect stated.

I pretty much also said that this is true in the western world where white men are the supposed majority. I said that the same would be the case with any dominant group because humans are just like that.

A generalization can not only be true in general, but it doesn't inherently mean that the entire group is at fault (beyond any unintentional benefits from the situation, which is what's called privilege in current discourse on matters of gender and race in specific, but applies to more than those alone).


Here's the thing. Until and unless we, not just as white men (speaking of the group I'm in) work on calling out and correcting bad behaviors as a group, to the point that it ceases to be a problem for others, we are part of the problem, no matter how little any individual likes that.

Divisions currently exist. They will always exist because any time there is a place of authority/power, there will be those that seek it and use it. Over time, you might see a given demographic shift in and out of that place of power, but it won't change humans being humans; there will be abuse of power.

That's the real key. The fact that white men have held dominance over most of the world for centuries (for a given value of most, and a given value of white) is simply fact. One could argue that the position of dominance really covers all the world since anyone wanting to disrupt that has to contend against that hierarchy. There are definitely places where, within a region* white men aren't the dominant group, kinda impossible to be otherwise. But trying to pretend that the world isn't the way it is is just silly.

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[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 37 points 9 months ago

I still don't see why adding the skin color was important, but eh, I have other things to deal with, so I don't really care, just found it slightly annoying.

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[-] ashenblood@sh.itjust.works 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is a consistent and very unpleasant fact of the world that white men will treat anyone of any other demographic as less than equals.

Citation needed.

In all seriousness, I understand your point and respect you for trying to deconstruct the mechanics of privilege.

But I just factually disagree with your assertion. I would argue that every human being has an inherent preference for people that they perceive as similar to themselves in some way, and this can result in bias along racial or gender lines. However, this arguably applies less to white men than any other demographic, because such behavior is so consistently condemned and shamed when exhibited by white men.

In contrast, people of other demographics are less frequently made aware of their own biases, because calling it out has not been construed as some kind of ethical imperative, as it has with white men.

It's also well documented that women have a much stronger in-group bias compared to men.

In essence, women can be characterized as “If I am good and I am female, females are good,” whereas men can be characterized as “Even if I am good and I am male, men are not necessarily good.” This sex difference in cognitive balance suggests that a mechanism that promotes female preference in women does not similarly contribute to male preference for men.

https://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/rudmangoodwin2004jpsp.pdf

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 78 points 9 months ago

It's a reminder than people that have always been in a privileged position often don't realize they do.

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[-] blindsight@beehaw.org 52 points 9 months ago

Did you drop a /s? This is a funny meme, so I'm assuming I just missed a joke.

Right?

(Speaking as a white male, white male entitlement, and privilege for that matter, are incredibly relevant to white men being sexist/racist.)

(You can trust me on this because I'm a white male. Also, I'm used to my opinion being listened to, so I expect you to as well. Just FYI.)

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago

To emphasize the privilege this guy has.

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[-] UnityDevice@startrek.website 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's an American obsession.

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[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In the US it's all about skin colour

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[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 129 points 9 months ago

I always roll my eyes whenever I see a "you can't do that because you're a woman" character in a show, and then I'm always reminded that these people actually exist

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 32 points 9 months ago

these people actually exist

The way it's been explained to me is that so much of the negative interactions in life come from a tiny, tiny number of offenders who manage to be shitty to dozens and dozens of people. So anyone who has to interact with many different people will inevitably encounter that shitty interaction, while most of us normies would never actually behave in that way.

Of the literally thousands of times I've interacted with a server or cashier, I've never yelled at one. But talk to any server or cashier, and they'll all have stories of the customer who yelled at them. In other words, it can be simultaneously true that:

  • Almost all servers and cashiers get yelled at by customers.
  • Very, very, few customers actually yell at servers or cashiers.

In other words, our lived experiences are very different, depending on which side of that interaction we might possibly be on.

When I talk to women in male dominated fields, basically every single one of them has shitty stories about sexist mistreatment. It's basically inevitable, because they are a woman who interacts with literally hundreds or thousands in their field. And even if I interact with hundreds or thousands of women in that same field, just because I don't mistreat any of them doesn't mean that my experienced sample is representative.

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[-] chocosoldier 90 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

ITT people baww at the mere mention of race and gender, and proceed to behave as if the problem is other people being too sensitive about race and gender.

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[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 9 months ago

And then everyone applauded..

But seriously if I witnessed this, I might actually applaud because that is a pretty badass bit of trivia to get to whip out.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

I think I would rather this happen to me than just about anything professionally, the withdrawal from that high might actually kill me

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 77 points 9 months ago

Hilarious. I actually witnessed this online when someone tried to “well actually” another user and it turned out that user was the author of the paper they cited.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I see it happen a lot online with people "looking for help with", but really just looking to vent about, open source software.

And I encounter it a lot at work with policies, reference docs, and little PowerShell scripts I've written.


"Hello I am tech support. Sysadmin, please help with strange situation A"

Sure thing, you'll need to do X.

"But that doesn't match our documentation, it says to do Y and that's not working"

My man, look at the changelog on the first page. I wrote it and made most of the updates for the first year we had it. This is an exception, and adding it to the doc would have bloated it outrageously for how infrequently this comes up. Especially to explain the why. I'd also need to try to cover all the other rare exceptions, which would turn the doc into an absolutely useless shitshow. Anyway, I should have a PowerShell script to handle it, give me a bit to find it.

"Ahckstually, Numpty #3 says our team has a PowerShell script to handle it already, no worries! Thanks!"

Motherfu- My brother in christ who do you think wrote that? You know I used to be on your team, and I just said- My name is in the first line of the scri- I mean cool, glad I could help you get it sorted.


Similar story, talking with a vendor. Again, I'm the one not in quotes.

I need you to connect me with a technical resource on your side for assistance with attempting an alternate solution Y for the issue we are facing, which Important Muckety Muck #7 in my company said you were able to do for them. I understand that I previously suggested that we could do X on our side as a solution for our problem. As we've moved forward in other places on this project, we have found that X will not work for us as a solution for reasons A, B, and C.

(He's breathing loudly through his mouth, hanging agape between words like some great panting missing-link-between-man-and-ape who has somehow found his way into a sales position. Somewhere in the dark recesses of his mind, the sounds of the wind through jungle trees, the calls of ancient and exotic birds and animals, the quiet noises of strange insects alien to this modern time and place, all combine into a beautiful primal music lost to the modern world. It flits through his subconcious, never quite fully able to be grasped.)

"I am the technical resource. According to my notes, X was identified as a solution to your problem."

(This was not some poor third world guy stuck in a call center having to follow a basic help desk script. Same first language, a few states away, he'd been involved with this project the whole way)

AS STATED IN MY PREVIOUS EMAIL

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 61 points 9 months ago

Any kind of interruption seems rude AF, and that’s without even considering the sexism and insinuation that she’s incompetent.

What’s the norm for the audience in situations like this? Raising your hand? Holding any questions/comments until the end?

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 9 months ago

Even then you don't go "you don't understand x!". You make an actual point about something in the presentation, usually with enough self-doubt to state it as a question.

If the whole presentation is trash in your opinion, just leave.

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[-] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 48 points 9 months ago

That et al is the best scientist, they’re in all the papers.

[-] aport@programming.dev 45 points 9 months ago

That man's name? Albert Einstein

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

...later that evening, that's when this poor wounded white male post doc subscribed to the Ben Shapiro podcast.

[-] Dra@lemmy.zip 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why is 'race' relevant here? What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.

That said... this sounds like one of those fantasy scenarios where "then everyone clapped".

Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I'm prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge "but does x not come from y?" Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn't seem to know what et al means either.

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[-] Obonga@feddit.de 28 points 9 months ago

I find it interesting how writing "a male" instead of man is a good way of pointing out "sexist mansplaining" and writing "a female" is dehumanizing (which i actually agree on). I will not deny that there are many sexists out there who are mansplaining or see women as less knowledgable. Without knowing the person ("offending") however, i think we would be wise to use occam's razor which would lead us to the conclusion that this is a prime case of the dunning kruger effect (which would also apply if sexism is involved).

Mycomment however has to be seen as mansplaining because i sadly have a dick between my legs. Sorry for that.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 27 points 9 months ago

As a white dude, I would be horribly embarrassed to do something like that. I hope the guy in the story learned a lesson from it.

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