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[-] Dra@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why is 'race' relevant here? What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.

That said... this sounds like one of those fantasy scenarios where "then everyone clapped".

Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I'm prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge "but does x not come from y?" Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn't seem to know what et al means either.

[+] chocosoldier 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago

"Because of the sheer scale of the issue and long history of institutionalized racism with lingering consequences, we, Americans, developed more vigilance on the issue, and I think this experience and this point of view should be considered across the globe. I do not appreciate the way you speak of it, and I'd rather have you respect, even if not immediately understand, this position."

-Your comment, with personal attacks taken out.

I ask you to consider the way users express themselves around Lemmy, and keep this place nice and tidy. Personal attacks and flaming are better left to Reddit. What makes the Lemmyverse so amazing is the cooperation of kind strangers, and in the spirit of it, it would be amazing for you not to provoke flaming and aggression.

I'm no admin and no mod, but a kind patriot of the Lemmy space, and I sincerely hope you could listen up to this and be kinder next time, even to the people who aren't perfectly keeping to the good conduct themselves.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

They're mentioning the race and gender basically to say "a privileged person". Having privileges obviously influences your character. And race+gender correlate with privileges.

So, while there's no direct causation, and us white males who aren't chumps don't need to be offended, it's often good enough of an explanation why a particular white male might be a chump.

[-] vallode@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I agree that the usage of "white" is irrelevant here. That being said, are you in academics? It is not an unusual situation for people to not be aware of the "face behind the maths" so to speak. Granted, this is not entirely unique to women in science but it is exhaustingly common for women to be questioned more than their peers.

I think questioning this is fine as many people lie but I wouldn't take this to mean this type of situation didn't happen/couldn't happen.

[-] Dra@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago

I recognise that, I think it's important to make very clear distinctions with no sweeping statements when prescribing value to demographic groups.

[-] zartcosgrove@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

This is top some top tier mansplaining here. I detect no sense of irony. Chef’s kiss.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago

While I perfectly agree with your position on that the "privilege" talk has become a weapon in and of itself, and that a lot of bullshit stories come out of it, I'd love it if you could change the tone of conversation.

Americans are different, and they may have cultural reasons to behaving this way. That's not to say they're right - but seeding anger this way is not gonna magically change their minds.