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submitted 9 months ago by sverit@feddit.de to c/technology@lemmy.world

The US Department of Justice and 16 state and district attorneys general accused Apple of operating an illegal monopoly in the smartphone market in a new antitrust lawsuit. The DOJ and states are accusing Apple of driving up prices for consumers and developers at the expense of making users more reliant on its iPhones.

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[-] UristMcHolland@lemmy.world 248 points 9 months ago

I don't hate Apple but I do hate their influence. They release some wireless earbuds and then suddenly all the manufacturers "don't have enough room for a headphone jack", ...get the fuck out of here.

[-] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 101 points 9 months ago

i'm still angry about their initiatives on delicate phone bodies and non-removable batteries.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 41 points 9 months ago

And "no physical keyboards"

[-] r_se_random@sh.itjust.works 28 points 9 months ago

Ehh, that's ok. Slide out keyboards aside, having an on-display keyboard is a better idea by and large.

[-] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A keyboard without tactile feedback is objectively worse than a keyboard with tactile feedback, excluding other factors.

I've never had a physical keyboard lag out then send an entirely different keystroke because it thought I held a button, or send a single keystroke because I was typing too quickly.

I've never had to wait a moment for a physical keyboard to show up after selecting a text box.

I've never had the entire layout of a page shift to make room for a physical keyboard whenever I select or deselect a text box.

I've never had a physical keyboard prevent me from using the number pad and force me to use the full keyboard (or worse, vice versa) because of an improperly configured input box.

The way I see it there are exactly two real benefits to integrating a software keyboard into a touchscreen: reduced physical complexity (the entire device is essentially just one screen), and easier access to emoji. A touchscreen keyboard performs far worse as a keyboard. It's a valid trade-off for a small mobile device, but it's not objectively better.

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Deliberately degrading picture quality when the metadata says it's from a competitor to push the narrative that they have the best cameras is also pretty low. Points for the sheer audacity, though.

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[-] WhataburgerSr@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Vote with your wallet.

I'm one of the few people that use my headphone jack with Grado headphones and have had Motorola phones so I can listen to music the way I want.

Don't even get me started on the light green bubble shit.

Fuck Apple.

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[-] dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org 161 points 9 months ago

It would take a big dose of hopium to believe this will amount to anything.

[-] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 70 points 9 months ago

The anti-trust pressure has increased with this administration. Lina Kahn has been effective at the FTC in bringing a number of cases forward.

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/ is a very well executed newsletter with more detailed information regarding anti-trust if you're interested.

[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah and hasn't she lost pretty much every case she's brought forward? She failed big fucking time with the Microsoft/Activision merger even though all the antitrust evidence was right in front of her nose. I'm glad the FTC is trying, because they're actually doing their job, but they're doing an awful job when it comes to actually being in court and proving their case.

People shit on Sony for trying to block the merger, but they absolutely were right for trying to block it and now games like starfield, the new Indiana Jones, and probably more in the future will be deliberately left off the PlayStation platform altogether. But that's all okay right? Because now you get call of duty on gamepass!!!!!!! RIGHT????!!?!???!????

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

I see a bunch of complaints against Kahn, but I haven't been able to find articles on what she did that someone else would have done to be more effective. I don't normally follow this type of news, so if anyone can point me to some articles, I'd appreciate it.

I've heard a few interviews with Kahn, and she sounds like someone looking to make a difference, so I'd like to cheer her on, but if she's not the right person for the job, it'd be nice to see some examples why. I'd think much could go on to make her lose without it necessarily being due to her actions or inactions.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

I'm willing to take the movement as a good sign. The fact that we haven't even been talking about this shit for decades now was just depressing. It's long past time for this shit, and the ball needs to get rolling.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 142 points 9 months ago

*Sees EU fining Apple*

Oh shit we can tell corporations what to do!

[-] generalpotato@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

This. Smells like me too (the expression, not the movement) as opposed to a well thought out plan as to how they’ll tackle the monopoly.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 51 points 9 months ago

Biden appointed a bunch of pretty vehemently anti-monopoly people to power, this is just how long it actually takes them to conduct an investigation thorough enough to bring suit.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 136 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Be prepared for a lot of hand-wringing about "security".

Apple, Microsoft, and Google all learned in the last couple years "security" shuts down any arguments, and they use it at every turn to justify whatever they want, regardless of the actual dangers or alternative mitigation methods they could take.

If our modern software security means anti-competitive behavior and user lock-in tactics are OK, then that's a problem with our security practices, and we need to reevaluate some things.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 74 points 9 months ago

If they utter "security for children" the government will probably not only drop the lawsuit but pay Apple $20 billion.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

they could get an extra 50 billion if they say “security for children, against terrorists”

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 80 points 9 months ago

With Apple tipping over the ~50% market share in the US and with the current rulings in the EU, maybe the US DOJ smell blood in the water. Hopefully something unusually good for the consumer will come of this, but I won't be shocked if it doesn't.

[-] miridius@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

I only recently found out about iPhones having 50% market share in the US and that's insane to me. I think anyone who's used both Android and iPhones a lot knows that iPhones are both a worse product and worse value for money, so in a fair market they would be the minority

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago

lol this is going to go nowhere

[-] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago

I don’t think so. EU did push through with reform, the US will join sooner or later.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

The EU passed new laws to address new needs. The US is trying to see if they can provide consumer protection with existing consumer protection laws from the past.

Passing consumer protection laws is pretty hard when people don’t vote enough democrats into the senate and house. The GOP hates consumer protection regulation.

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[-] Zacryon@feddit.de 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What? Unbelievable. I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. This really comes as a surprise. I would've never expected this. No one would have seen this coming. This is really outrageous. They are innocent. I can't comprehend this. No way! It's not acceptable! /i

– Apple Fan, probably (without the irony flag then)

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

I mean I’m an Apple user, although not exclusively, and I am very surprised, not because Apple doesn’t deserve it, they absolutely need to be reigned in like all big tech companies. I’m surprised as hell that the US government in 2024 is attempting to crack down an extremely profitable business. You love to see it

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago

Kick their asses DOJ!

[-] Muzle84@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

Apple did some sort of "tech innovations" through years, but its economical success has always been based on its locked down ecosystem.

Apple's marketing about its customers being part of an elite, hence zero compatibility with the 'mass', is disgusting imho.

Glad to hear it could be over, especially if it comes from US lawmakers.

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[-] uis@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago
[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago

We're contagious, and we're not sorry

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Can you be more contagious? Virulently so? Pandemic level? I need some of that good EU user privacy law plague in my life.

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 29 points 9 months ago

Now we just need the US to force carriers to automatically unlock phones after they are paid off.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 33 points 9 months ago

They do actually. What you're talking about is unlocking the bootloader.

I wanted to borrow a friend's [old] phone to try out graphene but he got it from Verizon and they keep the bootloaders locked so it was worthless.

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[-] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago

If you enjoy a good laugh, then head over to hackernews to see the meltdown apple bros are having: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39778999

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

The apple watch thing is kinda interesting.

So you make a watch and it has super tight integrations with OS level software on the phone.

I can't imagine they can force apple to write an Android app, which doesn't even have the same system level access as their OS app and provide some sort of degraded service.

Maybe they could force them to let it function in some limited way but where do you draw the line on forcing them to write android apps?

[-] JoeCoT@fedia.io 28 points 9 months ago

They don't have to force them to make an app. Instead they could make them provide an interface that an app can use. Instead of their current strategy of thwarting any attempt to make their ecosystem interoperable with competitor's devices. I imagine them instantly killing Beeper's connection to iMessage was a part of this move.

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[-] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 9 months ago

antitrust law does not regard as illegal the mere possession of monopoly power where it is the product of superior skill, foresight, or industry

United States v. Grinnell Corp. (1966).

A market share of ninety percent "is enough to constitute a monopoly; it is doubtful whether sixty or sixty-four percent would be enough; and certainly thirty-three per cent is not.

United States v. Aluminum Co. of America (1945)

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago

In my opinion, the first quote doesn’t apply at all. Unless you can express how Apple is objectively superior?

And Apple smartphone market share is at the higher end of your second quote. When all competitors are much lower, it may very well be that it is considered a monopoly. Though that’s literally what this case will determine.

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