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[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

The folks on the top bombed the middle east, and killed a lot of people.

As someone who lives there, the choice is an easy one.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago

And the Soviets invaded Afghanistan with flowers and love, right??

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i mean afghani society was better off before the us swooped in to destroy it after the soviet era

can't have all that progress around that much oil

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i mean afghani society was better off before the us swooped in to destroy it after the soviet era

can’t have all that progress around that much oil

The US swooped in to destroy Afghanistan after the Soviet era.

Afghanistan having strategic value because of oil.

Jesus Christ.

And people wonder why I don't treat tankie history takes seriously.

EDIT: No, no, please, downvoters, inform me as to the history of Afghanistan's booming oil industry.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

oh yeah the us destroyed the middle east and former socialist countries for democracy, my bad.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

So you’re doubling down on oil in Afghanistan?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

reread the post you are responding to

[-] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

No, no, please, downvoters, inform me as to the history of Afghanistan’s booming oil industry.

No one said it was due to a booming oil industry, but it was because of oil, I'm not sure how you're not aware of this.

Reporting at the time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/23/afghanistan.terrorism11

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

The article doesn’t really dismiss the argument even if the initial paragraphs make it seem like it, it just concludes that it seems unlikely to reach a point where the US could leverage the influence on a future local government, which is true but does not exclude/invalidate the previous proposition

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Soviet Union fell decades ago. Israel is comitting mass murder with America's blessing right now.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

And Russia invaded Ukraine with flowers and love, right?

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Far as I know Putin didn't invade Ukraine because of the Soviet Union, is mostly because he's a little shit.

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Two ex-Soviet countries are fighting about how to split the inheritance. Hardly suprising.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

No no you’re right, America bad, Russia China good!

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The Soviets invaded Afghanistan, a bordering country, after the USA had armed radical theocratic militias with modern weapons. And whatever they did in Afghanistan pales in comparison with US actions in non-neighboring Vietnam. If you want to see the true impact of the USSR in central-asian countries vs that of the west, why don't you compare the Human Development Index of Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan (ex-Soviet republics) to that of Pakistan (ex-English colony).

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s not a “whose worse” competition, but you tankies can’t seem to accept that countries other than the us also do and did bad shit. It’s all whataboutism with you.

Nobody in this thread is denying what the us has done, nor celebrating it. But keep on telling us what a nice guy Stalin was!

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

but you tankies

There we go, the generic word to refer to everyone who doesn't uncritically peddle anti-communist discourse.

you tankies can’t seem to accept that countries other than the us also do and did bad shit.

But keep on telling us what a nice guy Stalin was!

I'm not a Stalinist. The great terror was terrible, unjustified, and overall a disaster. The collectivisation policy led to chaos and hunger. The democratic functioning of Soviets was seriously undermined. It's just, as much as you probably don't consider that the whole existence of the UK as a country is illegitimate as a consequence of its colonialist history, I don't consider that the USSR as a whole should have been dismantled, and I consider that its overall impact on the world was positive, especially comparing it to what was before and to what came after.

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

That's only because you know nothing about the history of the others, and they gave even less of a shit back then.

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Istanbul wasn’t “bombed” since Mehmet the 2nd and turkey is doing the same with the Kurds right now. So…

Edit: Holy shit. Going through your history made me want to take a shower.

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

whatever makes you feel better after supporting mass murder.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

And if you lived in Tibet, Taiwan, Korea, etc, you’d probably not be super into the folks on the bottom.

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

They both killed a lot of people. Choose neither. Don't wish that death upon strangers.

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US

Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

And Hamas doesn't see LGBT people as people. Liberals don't want to murder me for the way I was created.

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So if I understand correctly, all 2.5 million in Gaza over 40% children deserve to be slaughtered in the most cruel way possible? Did you even watch the doctor's testimony?

Edit: Also no one is asking you to vote for Hamas. Hamas is not on the ballot. And despite the pinkwashing Israel is a fascist racist country.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh I will absolutely denounce Israeli wartime tactics as excessive, as well as call their settlements illegal. The question is whether you will likewise denounce Hamas as terrorists, or will you lift them up as freedom fighters?

[-] Cagi@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not. I'm saying both are bad. The others mass murder too. Choosing them out of spite for the first is wishing a similar mass death on someone else. You'd be as guilty of those deaths as liberal voters are for yours.

[-] TwiddleTwaddle 5 points 1 year ago

Solidarity forever

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who said anything about a choice?

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago
[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not am American. How can I be a Republican?

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 6 points 1 year ago

By only caring of things when they affect you.

[-] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I could say the same about you. Do you care about the mass murders Obama and Biden has comitted?

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure if you could apply to all of them... because, I'm not sure what Kim Jong Un would be doing in the middle east... That would definitely be an interesting one but, that at least applies to Stalin too, it didn't last long, but Stalin absolutely steamrolled Iran there for a bit.

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

If you wanna know "what would happen" to central-asian countries under soviet rule, you can, well, look at central-asian countries under soviet rule, such as Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, lightyears away in terms of progress from other central-asian countries with a history of western colonialism like Pakistan.

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