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PS.

I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.

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[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

There are more than 2 choices.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

If you consider "throwing my vote away on a third party that doesn't stand a chance in our shitty FPTP system" a choice, then sure I guess

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

They may not win, but if you want to make a statement then third party is the option that is neither fascism nor genocide.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Ok, except if enough people vote third party, fascism will win. So I'm not sure that "statement" is a very strong one.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If enough votes 3rd party then maybe neither fascism nor genocide will win.

You may even influence future american policy away from fascism/genocide

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

That's a naive take at best. Until we have voting reform, 3rd parties don't actually have a chance of winning anything. The only thing voting for a 3rd party accomplishes in our shitty FPTP system is pulling votes away from the Democratic option, making the chances better for the Republican option.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's a naive take at best.

Dude, you are the one saying it's either genocide or fascism.

Until we have voting reform, 3rd parties don't actually have a chance of winning anything.

Agree, but winning isn't the point you wanted to make. You wanted to avoid voting for genocide or fascism.

The only thing voting for a 3rd party accomplishes in our shitty FPTP system is pulling votes away from the Democratic option, making the chances better for the Republican option.

It sends a message to the democratic party that genocide isn't an option, that the primary process is flawed and that you don't belive Biden has a chance against Trump.

If you are sure Trump will win in your state, 3rd party is your best option.

If you are sure Biden will win in your state, 3rd party is your best option.

Only if you are in a swing state do you have to hold your nose and vote for genocide over fascism.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Dude, you are the one saying it's either genocide or fascism.

Nah, that's straight up incorrect, reread my first comment in this thread. The point I made there was that with Biden we get genocide, with Trump we get fascism and genocide.

Agree, but winning isn't the point you wanted to make. You wanted to avoid voting for genocide or fascism.

No, I want to avoid voting for fascism, because we get genocide either way, and there's nothing I can do about that.

It sends a message to the democratic party that genocide isn't an option

Aww, it sends a message, how cute

Only if you are in a swing state do you have to hold your nose and vote for genocide over fascism.

Maybe my personal experience is biased because I've lived in a swing state my entire life, so voting third party has never been a productive option for me. But again, stop being disingenuous. My point has never been "genocide over fascism", it's very clearly always been "genocide over fascism and genocide".

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The point I made there was that with Biden we get genocide, with Trump we get fascism and genocide.

And there is a way to vote without encouraging genocide

I want to avoid voting for fascism, because we get genocide either way, and there's nothing I can do about that.

Yes. There is. Vote 3rd party.

Aww, it sends a message, how cute

That's what voting is. In the primaries voting for Bernie meant his message was adopted even though he didn't win.

I've lived in a swing state my entire life

OK. You have a more important message to deliver.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

OK. You have a more important message to deliver.

Glad we've found some common ground.

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