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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 months ago

RN, Biden is still the best odds at beating Trump by the sheer fact that he's the incumbent. Why do you think all of the rightmost Dems and the Russian shills are hopping aboard the replacement train? Because they want Trump to win.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah, unfortunately, there's a calculus here that isn't entirely clear. The right-wing, the accelerationists, and the Russian shills are all on board with this because they THINK it's a losing proposition for the Democrats. However, whether it is ACTUALLY a losing proposition is... uncertain.

We live in a fucked-up political era. I think a replacement could go either way. I'm not thrilled about the idea, but we're rolling the dice either way, so I'm not going to let either outcome change my disposition much. What I know is that I'm voting against fascism this November, and anyone who expresses doubts as to whether THEY'RE voting against fascism are, at best, useful idiots for fascism, and at worst, fascists who are too cowardly to admit it.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I want Biden replaced. Guess I'm a Russian shill? JFC

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean, in a vacuum, there's lots of people who I'd like to be running for president as the DNC candidate instead of Biden. However, I'm not advocating for that right now, because I think it would be a tactical mistake.

Edit: on that note, there's also a whole lot of people who I'd want to run as the GOP candidate instead of Trump as well. One of them is Biden. 😂

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah OK, I respect the position that it could be a tactical mistake. But people suggesting that it might not be are not automatically Russian shills. Maybe cool the reactionary rhetoric

[-] raynethackery@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Your tactical mistake leads to existential problems for some of us. As a gay man, Trump and the GOP winning this election is threat to my life and the lives of my brothers and sisters. Go ahead and say I'm being alarmist but everyone said the same thing about Roe vs Wade being overturned.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you're making a very large strawman. Suggesting that a different strategy for the Dems might be more effective is not in any way suggesting that electing Trump is a good idea.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe cool the reactionary rhetoric

You confused the statement with its converse.

"If you are X, then you'll hop aboard the Biden replacement train"

does not imply

"If you hop aboard the Biden replacement train, then you are X"

Understand? This is a common error and is known as "affirming the consequent". I never made the statement that you assumed I had.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

You were the one who mentioned Russian shills not me

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

I think you have, again, misunderstood what I've been trying to say. I am not inclined to continue trying.

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