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Okay, Biden isn’t popular. But his policies sure are.
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He's only unpopular because of bots, trolls, and the likes of fox "news". He's what AMERICA needed after having a child with 34 felonies ruling by incompetence and revenge for four sad years.
hes mostly unpopular because the media dosnt cover 90% of the shit he does, and what they do cover they cover vaguely and don't credit him, because the media is heavily invested in another trump win because trump winning brings in ratings as people tune in every day to see what new horror he has released upon society, like they did in his first term.
Broadcast media has too much vested in a trump win to ever give biden appropriate coverage.
Its why all teh coverage of the debate was "BIDEN OLD, MUST QUIT" and almost nothing about trumps lies or the CNN moderator just letting trump go.
He is in the media spotlight constantly. If the President shits, we get news on it. And we have a plethora of friendly venues happy to report all the nice things Biden says he's doing (until he gives up halfway through, because the Fifth Circuit court or a senior aid or a Senate Parliamentarian tells him to stop).
But it's not selling, because peoples' material conditions aren't improving. The Inflation Reduction Act didn't improve the cost of living. The college loan forgiveness benefited less than 1% of student borrowers. The exhorbitant sums sent to Ukraine haven't ended the war or even clawed back any territory. The climate isn't getting any cooler.
The coverage could have been "Biden Slams Trump on His Many Lies". But Biden didn't do that because he's a senile old coot.
Oh gee! Why isn't Rachel Maddow singing Joe Biden's praises right now? Must be because she's a Russian Bot who hates Democrats and America.
No. Dismissing criticism like this is exactly how you got here. People have been raising legitimate concerns for years. And then he decides to 100 percent support genocide of Palestinians during the campaign. Not even conditioning military aid on compliance with international law. Which has the same effect as starting an unpopular war.
That debate was his last chance to convince undecided voters he still has 4 years of mental competency in him and he failed.
This is what happens when you run a sham primary with a weak candidate.
The budget is allocated by Congress and must be dispensed as allocated by the executive branch. Biden could not legally stop the weapons going to Israel. How many times must this be repeated? I see you and others in every single political thread trying to lay dead Palestinian children at Biden's feet. Biden doesn't want any more Palestinians to be destroyed- he seems to be a fundamentally decent person. Even though I strongly dislike Biden as president and hate the government of Israel, we all know Trump would ramp up the genocide for his buddy Netanyahu. Are you going to keep playing dumb? It's that fucking simple.
Unless Biden steps away these are the choices. More, or less, genocide? Because it's not going to stop until Israel decides it is done.
A. That's not true, check out Trump's last term for examples of not spending the money as Congress directed.
B. There are laws expressly forbidding the disbursement of aid to regimes committing war crimes. The Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act. The bar is internally low as well, "credible evidence". Anyone who has picked up a newspaper in the last six months has seen credible evidence.
C. This is how you pressure politicians. Don't tell us to vote for him because we can pressure him and then cry when we pressure him.
No.
this isn't your normal no, its a midwestern no.
And a years-long campaign by Republicans to tap into people's prejudices against old people. Never mind they'd struggle to name one actual policy position they'd disagree and haven't bothered to learn of all the things they'd wholeheartedly support if they were just aware of them.
There is some irony in that every time I talk to conservative friends/family about the things I loath Biden for, they're reasons they should love him, if only the media reported on it.
He's weak on the border? The one he tried to close, but was blocked by republicans, so he went around congress to illegally kick out refugees?
There's too many brown people? He's deported more people than Trump did.
He's left Israel out to dry? He sent everything that was allocated to them, and more, and even bombed Yemen to support the genocide of Gaza.
Abortion? Who exactly is letting Roe lie dead?
Welfare? He ended covid protections, child poverty skyrocketed.
Can't understand why he's not more popular with a track record like that.
Maybe he's just running in the wrong party.
"We defeated medicare"
Who said that? Not doubting just curious.
Biden did. It was a slip. Old guy, fighting a returning stutter, trying to get everything of substance he has to say out in a 2min window...he messed up a whole bunch. The other guy ignored the questions and vomited the practiced lies and BS he has been spewing for years, so he looked better, if you didn't actually listen to the words from each person.
Yeah Trump says stupid shit like that on a daily basis whether it's a slip or intentional. Personally I had to turn the debate off after about five minutes, being so embarrassed of my country. Biden was pathetic and Trump a lying sack of shit.
but what makes him qualified
as a career politician what has he done to affect your life so much that y'all immediately want to suck him off so hard?
was it the crime bills, the conservative far right immigration policies, his failed response to $7.25 minimum wage, was it women losing rights they have had for over half a century?
or is it strictly because he is a democrat and likes the color blue?
no the US does not need either of the two senile elders with mental decline
yes that happens after a certain age and anyone who thinks these two are mentally capable or immune to laws of time have never had to take care an elder before
Biden is 82 years old way past retirement and Trump is not far behind
What you're not seeming to take into account is that every democrat I know has issues with Biden but since he is a career politician we know he's capable of putting knowledgeable people in places he doesn't have expertise in, which is what a competent leader does (which means I can't even mention trump, doesn't come close). The right doesn't seem to understand you can get your ideas and policies across without full complete love and support for the candidate. He's not the Dems supreme leader like the right has where everyone has to bow down, it's a system and he's just a head to rally behind while others get stuff done.
Hot take: that crime bill attack was always an interesting one to me.
In Hillary's election she got heavily criticized for supporting it while non-conservatives supported it, Biden wrote it, Bill Clinton signed it, Bernie Sanders voted for it. I was somewhat surprised this election when people actually remembered that Biden wrote it at all. I didn't hear much about it in 2020.
The effective and qualified people he surrounds himself with. Sorry for the death of your argument. RIP
You a bot or troll? Either way, you're not good at it.
I've never liked him. Better than trump, still bad tho
Just curious, what percentage of Americans do you think are under the influence of Russian bots? Because roughly a third voted for Trump and roughly a third didn't vote, add in third party voters and I'm pretty sure that would mean a supermajority of Americans are Russian assets, which is a fascinating perspective.
"Victim of Russian propaganda" isn't the same as "Russian asset."
Ok then, what percentage is believing, repeating, and being actively swayed by Russian propaganda?
At least a majority of trump supporters, and probably a small fraction of non-voters.
That's wild. Like, to think all it takes is a handful of Twitter bots to instantly sway like half the population of a country.
Say, why doesn't anyone else try this? Just set up some bot accounts to spread misinformation in favor of Biden, and it should be just as effective right? I mean, it can't be that people have different beliefs and different material interests or anything like that. Everyone who disagrees with you is simply so stupid that they just instantly believe anything they see. Shouldn't you be able to use that to your advantage?
I didn't say or even imply people support trump because of Russian bots, I'm saying that trump supporters are largely stupid or uninformed, and trump is putin's puppet and repeats Russian propaganda.
It's actually kind of funny that you're being incredibly reductive while accusing me of the same. Like I said, not everyone and not everything. Trump supporters, however, are largely dumb enough to swallow Russian propaganda specifically because they've been primed for it.
My question specifically included the words "actively swayed."
It's harder to get people in favor of something than it is to point to something/someone and convince them they are an enemy.
This is a truth known for a long time. I think it is linked to our tendency to lose aversion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion
Both parties are speaking to us about what we are going to loose it the other side wins. For Biden he is claiming (probably rightly based on the recent Trump supreme court decisions) we are going to loose democracy if Trump wins. Trump is claiming we are going to loose America, the real America, if Biden wins. What real America is depends on who he is talking to.
It is not just bots but an infrastructure of heavy investment in mass media that mislead americans. Fox News, NAEBC, Tucker Carlson, the NRA, Breitbart and then you can add in the bots on social media.
Trump received 74 million votes.
The NRA, which has proven to be infiltrated by russian assets has about 5.5M members so that's almost 7% right there. https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/wyden-unveils-report-on-nra-ties-to-russia-findings-show-nra-misled-public-about-2015-moscow-trip#:~:text=New%20evidence%20that%20NRA%20insiders%20may%20have%20violated%20U.S.%20sanctions,pursuit%20of%20personal%20business%20opportunities.
In 2021 there were about 20M users of Parler which amplified russian propaganda: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/10/01/report-fbi-catches-another-russian-made-fake-news-site-targeting-us-voters/
There's probably some overlap, but with just two instances we've seen how over 20-25M right wingers (1 out of 3 trump voters) are subject to russian propaganda.
Amazing. So because the NRA met with Russian weapon manufacturers to try to get rich, it means every one of the 5.5 million NRA members has been swayed by Russian propaganda. Absolutely zero of them were legitimately just gun nuts who were always going to vote Republican because they oppose gun control, 100% of the members were swayed by Russia the moment someone on the board met with a Russian arms dealer.
I guess it becomes very easy to show that a large number of Americans have been influenced by Russia if you're allowed to play like 6 degrees of separation like that. Why don't we count anyone who ever used Facebook too, while we're at it? What percentage of Americans bought a coke in 2020, while Coca-Cola was doing business in Russia? This goes way deeper than I ever imagined.
I'm just one person and my sample size is small. But judging by the number of right-leaning people I know that send me stuff from RT and other similar places, and the number of left leaning people who repeat dispiriting talking points I see in those pieces (They may never vote republican, but their enthusiasm is certainly being sapped.), I would say the percentage is quite high. That's just people being swayed like you asked, not necessarily convinced to vote or act a certain way.
Again, I'm just one person, but from what I see around me Russia and its allies are winning the propaganda war.
To some degree or another? A significant portion.
What constitutes "a significant portion?" 5%? 20%? 60%?
Imagine picking a Democratic candidate that can't even handle the bullshit from fox news and then acting all surprised when his polls start to tank.
Fox News is an utter pile of garbage and by no means a trustworthy media outlet
Sure is, so maybe we should have someone who won't take the bait and talk about their golf game during a presidential debate!
You get paid to troll? If you don't you're really a sucker.
makes sence why your instance has the word awful