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Don't be myopic about it, Russia has been just as manipulative in the Middle East as the U.S.
Who you were responding to mentioned Hamas and you immediately equated that with the Palestinian people. You really can't defend Hamas and Russia in this when this is just a recurrence of the power plays that have historically shaped our current system. There are very few on the "right" side of this.
Did you stalk my comment history too? You would see I'm 100% for the Palestinian people and against this genocide. My point being, if you're gonna run to a side in this you just picked wrong.
Edit: Imperialism is the enemy here not colonialism, which was stopped being used in the 1940's
Whoa, colonialism is absolutely alive and well. Colonialist projects, Israel included, still exist today, and of course many countries that began as settler-colonialism (which is distinct from plain 'colonialism') still exist everywhere, and still keep their native populations marginalized and under attack.
Israel is quite practically the most textbook definition of a Settler-Colonialist state that there is, especially given that they themselves still even use the term "settlements" to describe their continued displacement of Palestinians.
And yet modern colonialism isn't the key topic that needs to be mediated between these two parties. This fued goes 5000 years back to when these two cultural groups shared this exact same land. That's the myopic part of these arguments. Calling them colonists isn't going to settle an ancient blood feud. Bonus points if you recognize that both groups are Semetic and both have committed anti-Semitic crimes.
Bruh, no one in modern day Israel or Gaza is fighting because of 5000 year old feuds. They're fighting because one group displaced and started mass-murdering the other in order to establish an ethnostate.
Would you like to look into what the minority group and it's situation was like in Palestine before this colonization happened? How the human rights were for this minority group? It was the exact same except the other way. Still keep on about how it's all different now.
I will restate my point that if your taking a side in this that isn't the humanitarian one. You're on the wrong side of history. And back to my original sentiment that calling this an issue of colonization is not getting this argument anywhere.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm Brothers killing brothers can only be explained if you take culture and religion into account.
You think that family members (and let's be honest, "ancestral genetic brothers" are not actually family members on any psychological level) only have ever killed each other over religion? Not money? Not land? Only religion and 'culture'? Please.
On a massive scale ongoingly for thousands of years? Yes. Let's bring to light the many attempts at colonizing the Middle East by western powers, ie the crusades or Mandatory Palestine. These attempts were all money and land inspired and respectively very short and unsuccessful. There is no doubt in my mind that Western colonialism has wreaked havoc in the middle East for far too long. But to land those motivations on Jews and Palestinians (those who by birthright the land belongs to) doesn't sit right with me. Let's settle on the fact that Western intervention has been the real catalyst for power struggles there, while the violent puppets that play out the wars on the world's stage are only being made into scapegoats in order to justify the greed and power grabs of outside interests.