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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 99 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We have to face that loads of high ranking "moderate" Dems would prefer a Republican to a progressive.

If a Republican gets in office, it makes it easier to get people vote lesser of two evils.

If a progressive gets in office, it's really hard to unseat them. They can barely manage to get House Reps out for moderates even with AIPAC money.

If Bernie had won 2016, he'd have gotten to name the DNC chair, he could of solidly ended in the failed neo liberal experiment.

We were really fucking close to fixing things, but after NH got their delegates stolen, I don't think itll happen.

I honestly think if a real progressive wins a presidential ~~party~~ primary, the standing party might disregard it.

[-] hohoho@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

I largely agree with you. Could you elaborate on your last sentence though?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

presidential ~~party~~ primary

There was an autocorrect there, but if that doesn't clear it up:

A primary isn't binding.

That was the DNCs legal argument for why if they rigged it, that would be legal.

The entire primary process is merely a survey.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

This is really a good argument for nonpartisan blanket primaries, which in other countries would be known as the first round of a two-round system. And it really should be advertised that way so people don't just write it off as "just a primary".

California adopts this system. You vote for one candidate in the primary. The top two candidates appear on the second round ballot. Most votes in the second round wins.

However, the fact that parties choose the candidates is really not unusual at all. In fact, the US is pretty unique in terms of how much influence voters have over the process. In most countries, interested candidates apply for the party's nomination, and then the party's central leadership or local party committee vets the applications and nominates their favourite candidate. Only the chosen candidate gets to stand with the party's rosette.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

In fact, the US is pretty unique in terms of how much influence voters have over the process.

How?

The primaries are non binding and can be legally rigged because of that...

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Two things:

  • It being legally permissable doesn't mean that it happens. Just like how the DNC's argument that if the elections are rigged, it wouldn't be illegal is not an admission that they rigged it. This statement is made without implying anything, it is a statement about formal logic.
  • Influence is not the same as control.
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

It being legally permissable doesn’t mean that it happens

Have you ever thought about what a great investment a bridge is?

There's one a Brooklyn you may be interested in purchasing.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Why do you suppose I included this sentence at the end of that bullet point?

This statement is made without implying anything, it is a statement about formal logic.

...and why did you, having read that, assume I made that implication anyway?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Because that makes any statement meaningless...

Just figured I'd answer first

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

No, it doesn't lol. The art of rhetoric is completely lost on you

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