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Nobody is advocating for keeping the current system and simply removing the concept of money. Money is of course a necessity of the current system, but need not be if the system itself is changed.
The person I replied to literally said "the rest by bartering or agreement". I guess you could stir money is an agreement but that's not what I took from their message
Also how are you going to solve the scenario I provided?
Collective ownership of Capital. You don't need money in every system.
I don't understand how that's going to solve the scenario I described.
There's stuff I can do but don't want to. There's stuff I would do in exchange for something. But once that "something" isn't what you have, the reasons for currency become apparent.
In Capitalism, sure. In Socialism, no.
I'm not trying to be obtuse but I'm not following.
In the example I gave, is the guy going to repair the window out of the goodness of his heart?
No, they will do it because it's their job, and they work a certain number of hours per week.
So if someone asks me to do a thing for them, I can only do it when working in an official professional capacity, or through unofficial favor exchanges?
Sure. You can help your neighbor for free, a favor, whatever you want. You could also put in an order officially.
That "whatever you want" is immediately going to turn into tokens, which are currency. That's almost certainly how it happened originally.
"I'll do this for you if you give me some shiny rocks, then I can go to the city and trade them for a cool hat" or whatever.
Why would you need to tokenize things with a large unofficial market of sole proprietors? Is that how you get your services done today?
Because I don't want anything you have, but trying to build a whole barter chain where we trade everything in sequence until everyone gets something they want is wildly impractical. As described in my first example.
And yes, today I pay a dude money and he does the thing. I don't have to clean his gutters so he'll agree to knit me a sweater.
Why do you think money came to be originally?
That's not what people are advocating for. 99% of producion would be handled by the government, you're pretending the 1% would actually be 100%.
If you go all the way to the start of this thread, it began with "Money shouldn’t exist. Hope that helps!". So that's what I'm arguing against. Money will be reinvented because it serves a very real purpose.
Also if something happens 1% of the time you still have to account for it.
And "I can do the thing. I don't really enjoy it. For some incentive, I'll do it" is more than 1% of what's happening in life.
Money has a real purpose in Capitalism that is entirely unnecessary in a developed Socialist system.
1% being favors doesn't mean you need money.
I suggest you read Critique of the Gotha Programme for information on why Money itself should be eliminated eventually.
Money predates capitalism. The reasons why it was originally invented remain. Once your favors have any complexity at all, someone's going to have the obvious idea of "why don't we abstract this?"
Money does predate Capitalism, correct. Never said it didn't.
Read the text I linked, you're assuming I am referring to an anarchic system of favors and not a system where the government produces and provides pretty much everything via planning.
Money is a unit of measurement. This is as insane as talking about removing the concept of length.
No, money is a commodity used to exchange commodities. You can have a functional society without relying on markets.