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[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

the whole network could be run on two raspberry pis. there is no minimum power requirement in the protocol.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

the whole network could be run on two raspberry pis.

No. Then someone would buy 3 raspberry pis and claim all the bitcoin.

Bitcoin was a great idea in 2008 but in 2024 it has been overshadowed by other blockchains in every single dimension except for market cap.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

the protocol says those 3 pis have consensus. that's how the network is supposed to function.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

We are discussing energy usage, not consensus protocols.

The Bitcoin network never going to run on any number raspberry pis. Any claims that it will compete with a PoS blockchain for energy efficiency are ludicrous.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

the protocol does not require the current energy use. it could be run on two raspberry pis.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Are you a bot? You've said that.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the future the Bitcoin network will be running on 2 pis? No. Energy consumption will continue to be 50000 times greater than other PoS blockchains.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Under what scenario does bitcoin reduce energy intensity by >99%

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's partially knowable.

I know monkeys are not going to fly out of my butt.

I know that while Bitcoin exists, it's energy consumption is not going to reduce by over 99%

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I know monkeys are not going to fly out of my butt.

no, you don't. you can't have evidence about the future because it hasn't happened.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not asking for evidence. I'm asking for any hypothetical scenario that allows bitcoin to compete with PoS on energy consumption.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

since you can't have evidence, you can't know.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't have evidence, but I know monkeys are not going to fly out of my butt.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So ... Bitcoin matching PoS energy consumption is as knowable as monkeys flying out of my butt.

Gotcha. Conversations like this are what give Bitcoin Maxis a bad name.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

i haven't taken any position on "bitcoin maxis". i'm only discussing the protocol and the limits of knowledge. you are making all manner of leaps of logic.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

A Maxi would be unable to admit that there is no imaginable scenario where the bitcoin protocol will drop to the low energy requirements of a PoS blockchain.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

there is no energy requirement at all for either mining method. the protocols are energy-agnostic.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Incorrect. Bitcoin protocol is designed to distribute bitcoin to whoever provides the most energy (work).

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

it's all just guess-and-check. a raspberry pi could find the next block even today.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Agreed. Because they can't provide enough power to prove the required work.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

i think you read a word that isn't there. the work of generating a nonce, hashing the header, and checking for leading zeroes can certainly be done by a raspberry pi in under the 10 minute block time.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

A raspberry pi could verify a bitcoin block. It is EXTREMELY unlikely to find the next block.

[-] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

unlikely, given the network hashrate, but not impossible.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

A hash rate that requires 170TWh of electricity. There are no scenarios where this drops more than 99%, except for the destruction of bitcoin.

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