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'but why are you only complaining about DEMOCRATS?'
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Address it... how? By swapping their position and losing even more votes from those with a pro-Israel position?
Either by swapping their position and making their case to those who disagree with it,
or
keeping their position and attempt justifying it to those who disagree with it
The fuck do you think they've been doing.
Nothing particularly convincing to anyone paying attention.
I have yet to hear their justification on ignoring the war crimes committed by an ally. I'll happily ruminate on it if I did.
Okay, so they are doing what you want them too, you just still don't like it enough to work to stop fascism.
I (quite loudly) disagree with what you say constitutes 'working to stop fascism'. And I will continue voicing that disagreement loudly until that changes.
Yes, you quite loudly disagree with the idea that working to stop a fascist from getting into power is 'working to stop fascism'. It very much highlights where your priorities are.
Almost, I disagree that working to stop fascism entails supporting them while they commit atrocities abroad
What else will you not support the opposition to fascism over? What other matters do you regard as more important than opposing fascism?
There is NO issue more important than opposing fascism, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD BE OPPOSING FASCISM IN GAZA
"I oppose fascism in Gaza by enabling more fascism in the United States!"
Except foreign affairs, it would seem.
Damn, you want us to go to war with Hamas AND Israel? I thought we were done with nation-building.
Or is what you mean "We should make a show of opposing fascism in Gaza"? In which case the only difference between your position and Biden's is one of degrees.
We we certainly shouldn't be supplying material support for an active genocide, that seems like a pretty obvious red flag to most people. Going to war ourselves is a stretch, but not obstructing an ICC arrest warrant and recognizing Palestinian statehood at the UN seem like other common-sense positions that fall well short of going to war, but what do I know about what it is you think?
So material support for an active genocide (a lot of qualifiers there) is your absolute line? If any presidential candidate crosses that line, you won't work with them against literal fascists?
Why are you posing this as a binary? I can BOTH work with them against literal fascists AND agitate them to drop support for a literal fascist. Voting is such a small part of this picture, and it's also the only part of it that's binary.
Because his arguments fall apart instantly if you don't accept the false dichotomy upon which they rest.
That's what I'm doing. But you've openly stated that your position's purpose is to create a crisis in Biden's election which will force him to either capitulate to your demands or lose.
That's nothing less than a statement that failure to capitulate to your demands is worth condemning all of us to fascism.
Voting is an IMPORTANT part of this picture, and the key to stop fascism from taking over in the next six months. There's so much else that needs to be done - but right now, fascism is banging on the door.
I've also openly stated that I think Biden can't win with this position (his polling is at least not evidence against that theory), regardless of what I'm doing here. I think his only route to victory is about-facing (I also think it's an extremely important issue in its own right that deserves agitation over).
He has 6 months to win and the convention is still a few months away, fingers crossed that he gets the message.
I think you overestimate the importance of this issue to the electorate, and you overestimate how left-wing the American electorate is.
I think you under-estimate how unpopular supporting the genocide would be, if only Biden wasn't actively denying it happening and that message wasn't being suppressed (let alone being communicated from Biden and congress themselves)
I think we have a pretty good cross-section of where we disagree.
The problem with that is their position is "let's keep supporting genocide" which isn't a justifiable position.