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submitted 6 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

President Joe Biden is taking fresh steps to help keep gas prices from climbing. For Republicans to see this as “disgusting” and “disgraceful” is bizarre.

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[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The "extreme" rarity you claim for charging stations is a myth, possibly propagated by the petrol industry. Plugshare offers accurate information regarding the location of charging stations (https://www.plugshare.com/). And the cool thing about that is there are both commercial and home/ office stations, with more coming online all the time. It's kinda good that EM bobbled the supercharger thing, so it encourages more groups to start providing chargers. The great thing about Plugshare and ABRP (abetterrouteplanner.com/) is that it makes it very easy to see and plan for your next charge. Tho' I do agree that the way to go is make the E-charging cheaper, not to make the petrol more expensive, yet.

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 months ago

Thanks for showing me where I live there is a singular small gas station within multiple kilometers with a couple EV charging stations 😂 I only find many if I go to a bigger city. In fact I do see them when I go to the city, and always empty.

E-charging is even more expensive then petrol here, so even hybrids that can charge people that own then never do so as going with just petrol is so much cheaper for how it lasts on the road.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

I hate to tell you most people aren't traveling more than 300 miles a day and most ev have ranges in excess of that.

Your trying to poke holes in Swiss cheese and claim it's less tasty because of it.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 11 points 6 months ago

Like 99.9% will be less than 300/d. And one can charge at home, with a 120v or 240v cable. It takes longer than a DCFC, but functionally one arrives home, plugs in, and forgets about it till one needs to drive somewhere. Home charging is being about 1x/wk, for my family. And as much as I like my EV, I frequently remind myself that every hour driving is an hour that I'm not biking.

[-] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Hm, there's no public charging within 100 miles of me. But there is within what I assume is max range at Montana winter temperatures (~150 miles?) .

Thank you for posting this. I'm absolutely not in the position to buy a new car right now. But, it doesn't seem like traveling across the state would be very difficult if I did purchase an EV. (I have to drive up to five hours one way for certain medical care)

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 1 points 6 months ago

LoL, and I would never suggest buying a new car. They lose too much value just driving off the lot, and in the first 2 years. I'm not sure what the current 'sweet spot' is, but unless one is 'fuck you rich' I couldn't understand why buying a new car makes sense.

[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm way more worried about where the energy is coming from and what the true cost of storage is, rather than where I get it from. Every conversion/storage has an energy and materials cost. As bad as petrol burning is, I have to imagine coal burning + transfer loss has to be about as bad. Not to mention the nature of lithium cells.

We don't need more charging stations to make EV viable, we need more nuclear power plants and cleaner battery tech first.

[-] Anise 8 points 6 months ago

At worst it is about a wash. Combined cycle power plants are very efficient, much more efficient than even the best ICE engines. You pay for that efficiency with space and equipment weight which is why you don't see that in vehicles. Even with transmission losses and power train losses in EVs your miles per unit of burnt fuel is about as good or better. Mix some green energy in there and you are coming out positive.

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

And short of some absurd level of intervention from a conservative government, the grid is only going to get greener in the future, so an EV bought now will become progressively less carbon intensive over time.

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