I actually just want permanently higher gas prices like in Europe to facilitate the move to EVs. The US needs to break the addiction to oil.
A lot of people will be even poorer increasing the price of gas in Europe, most working class people cant switch to an EV just because,my family (myself included, but now i live in a big city where i dont need a car anymore) purchase usually 15+ year old cars, and there is no decent public transportation in that zone. I know you just want easy upvotes saying stupid things like that, but really, viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class, if you want to facilitate the move towards EVs what you need is cheaper EVs, and tbh, fuck that bullshit and instead push toward better public transportation in rural areas instead of keeping the push in personal vehicles that are as wasteful.
viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class
News flash: The working class in most of Europe is doing much better than the working class in the US. And that's with much higher gas prices and higher taxes.
They also drive more EVs and have a heck of a lot higher quality public transportation.
Hm so if the median working class as a whole in the EU is doing better than the working class of the USA its okay the fuck the working class of the rural zones in spain which as i said lack public transportation or access to expensive EVs? Lmao.
As someone who has lived in Europe for more than two decades, I can tell you that most rural zones in the EU do not lack public transportation. EVs become cheaper when it's the norm. Lmao
Just lol, seriously, have you seen the state in the rural zones of spain? Do you think a train or a bus every two hours is going to let people get a job outside their town with less than 10k habitants? Even in my hometown with 40k+ habitants only has a single (1!) train an hour.
Most people from a working class in spain having the minimum salary which is 1100€ (thats if you have a full time job in a country with 27+% unemployment among the young) while you are paying in most zones already 700€+ rent which is more than 50% of your salary (if you even have a salary). I can assure you that no one even with the minimum salary if they have a salary and paying a rent of 700+ is going to be able to get credit to buy a 10-15k plus EV. Not even 5-8+k to get a really cheap second hand one. So please, before you speak to this level of bullshit read a bit or look at data at least, your situation or the little you have seen does not represent the reality.
Ideally, you tax the hell out of fossil fuels then redistribute it to the poor. The rich and middle class cut their usage and/or switch to EVs and the poor can get by while viable alternatives to driving are implemented and EV prices come down.
We are being devastated by the higher gas prices. People don't have the money nor the infrastructure is given to move to EV. Even if one does have money for EV, charging stations are extremely rare and you WILL find yourself stranded if you attempt any long drive unless you have a "old" combustion engine car or an hybrid both affected by the higher prices.
You don't want higher prices on gas with 0 attempt to actually make EV viable, trust me.
The "extreme" rarity you claim for charging stations is a myth, possibly propagated by the petrol industry. Plugshare offers accurate information regarding the location of charging stations (https://www.plugshare.com/). And the cool thing about that is there are both commercial and home/ office stations, with more coming online all the time. It's kinda good that EM bobbled the supercharger thing, so it encourages more groups to start providing chargers. The great thing about Plugshare and ABRP (abetterrouteplanner.com/) is that it makes it very easy to see and plan for your next charge. Tho' I do agree that the way to go is make the E-charging cheaper, not to make the petrol more expensive, yet.
Thanks for showing me where I live there is a singular small gas station within multiple kilometers with a couple EV charging stations 😂 I only find many if I go to a bigger city. In fact I do see them when I go to the city, and always empty.
E-charging is even more expensive then petrol here, so even hybrids that can charge people that own then never do so as going with just petrol is so much cheaper for how it lasts on the road.
I hate to tell you most people aren't traveling more than 300 miles a day and most ev have ranges in excess of that.
Your trying to poke holes in Swiss cheese and claim it's less tasty because of it.
Like 99.9% will be less than 300/d. And one can charge at home, with a 120v or 240v cable. It takes longer than a DCFC, but functionally one arrives home, plugs in, and forgets about it till one needs to drive somewhere. Home charging is being about 1x/wk, for my family. And as much as I like my EV, I frequently remind myself that every hour driving is an hour that I'm not biking.
What you are saying is that you should invest in infrastructure for electric cars instead of subsidising the oil industry again?
Even if one does have money for EV, charging stations are extremely rare and you WILL find yourself stranded if you attempt any long drive unless you have a "old" combustion engine car or an hybrid both affected by the higher prices.
Bullshit. My wife and I did a two week road trip up/down 2/3 of the east coast in our Tesla last year, and not once did we have a problem charging. Half the hotels we stayed in had level 2 chargers that didn’t cost us anything to use, and Teslas SuperCharger network was perfectly reliable. We also found more than one parking garage with free chargers while parked.
Now that NACS has been adopted as the open SAE J3400 standard and most EV manufacturers have announced support for it, the rollout of more third party fast chargers should start ramping up soon. And with Tesla open up Superchargers to other EVs it’s getting easier and easier to charge.
small town, middle of nowhere in the upper midwest. an hour away from basically anything other than walmart and a few fast food joints, and more than our fair share of climate change-denying maga morons.
we have multiple locations with chargers.
Desperately hanging on to old things is not a long term solution. Petition your government to facilitate a decrease on the reliance of oil, not to help you keep it the same.
The tech is not there though. Most of the USA is rural. It needs to be heavily adopted in the large cities first before trying a one size fits all and rip off the bandaid approach.
I guarantee most of the complainers drive around dumbass pickup trucks as their everyday vehicle, filling up at $250 every 2 weeks. I have problems feeling sorry for them.
LoL, our power company has a 'pilot program' for EV charging overnight, the price drops to $0.03/kW as a way of encouraging off peak charging. A decent sized EV battery has 77kWh. 77x 0.03 = $2.10 for a full charge. Just sayin'.
That is an inverse progressive tax. The lower income you are, the higher % of your income you pay.
It's essentially a tax on the poor trying to subsidize renewables. If the US had viable alternatives, maybe I'd support this. I don't think the poor need more taxes right now, though.
"How does this dying old man keep outsmarting us?"
-Republicans, constantly
You're referring to Trump or Biden? It's unclear.
Trump can't even outsmart himself.
"I did that" sticker people in shambles
Don't forget about the recent pricing collusion reporting.
The higher prices were the result of collusion with OPEC by American oil producers.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if those decals were intentionally created by conservative groups in the know.
Republicans are outraged at anything Biden does. This isn't new.
Yeah it started back in 2008 with Obama winning. GOP does nothing but oppose anything "libs" do.
Oh, it's way older than Obama. Republicans hated Clinton and Carter.
They really, really, really lost it over Clinton for sure, because he had a wife that actually had ideas, and, even....spoke about those ideas. In public. They were horrified about this.
They can't come up with anything helpful for people. They just take anything a democrat does and do the opposite. It's insane.
Democrats - Lets make peoples lives better: Republikkklowns - WHAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!?! WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!!!!!
It’s like when they refused to pass their own immigration bill because they’d rather campaign on the issue than fix the problem.
The same reason Republicans voted against their own immigration bill: Trump told them not to because he doesn't want to give that win to Biden. No wins for Biden, especially in an election year. Republicans continue holding us hostage so they can to put their fuhr back in office.
For Republicans to see this as “disgusting” and “disgraceful” is bizarre.
What are you smoking MSNBC? Vocally opposing Democrats on literally everything, even when it doesn't make sense or contradicts party positions, is 100% on-brand for the Republican party.
Do some opposition research someday, goddamnit.
Remember when they did climb and republicans stuck little "I did that" stickers on the pumps?
Should be taxing the shit out of it anyway to snap the US from it's petrol addiction.
Is there even a hair of validity to the argument that Biden’s “environmental polices” are leading to increased gasoline prices? The US is literally producing more gasoline than it uses, and oil imports are taxed federally at about 2¢.
Seems like most of the squeeze is from petro states, oil cartels, and corporations that want to price gouge.
That's because Republicans care about the Working Class! Didn't Red States pass Laws preventing Heat Protections and Water Breaks?
I pass a dipshits house that house many flags on it, and ha had signs in his front yard about how Biden is responsible for gas prices being so high for years now. He took the signs down. It makes me laugh.
Am i the only one who is outraged that the gas cap in this photo is not placed on its dedicated holder?
People actually use those? I mean, is the cap really so heavy that the little rubber cable won't hold it? I say dangle free, my man!
This is interesting. In my town there are stickers on the gas pumps of Joe Bidens face and they say "I did this". So I figured it was his fault /s
Well yeah, that's usually their move in an election year. They're mad because they're not the ones doing it.
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