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Trump floats idea of three-term presidency at NRA convention
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And that's a big part of why, despite everything Biden is doing, I am 100% voting for him. Because if Biden wins, there will be a 2028 election where we can hopefully find someone better, and I'm not convinced that there will be under Trump.
Four years of Trump came really close to turning this country into a kakistocratic dictatorship. I really don't want to give him another chance.
I've literally had people utter this to me before every single presidential election that I've voted in and it's never come true. Neither party has any incentive to improve things when they're guaranteed to get votes because "the other guys are boogeymen!"
So when Trump pulls another January 6, but succeeds this time and declares himself president for life, do you think that will make the situation better or worse?
My concern is that he will run again and again until he dies. Ideally if he won this year he could never run again. Obviously he's a fascist so he will probably try to stay in (again) but man I am not looking forward to the next 20-50 years of him. And I'm guessing he's going to live forever at this point.
Trump has visibly diminished in the last 4 years, as has his influence. Now he seems like the tail the dog is wagging but before he called himself the dog. I just don’t see him lasting that long
20-50 years??? How young do you think trump is??? 50 years from now he would be 127! 20 years from now he would 97.
We're not going to have even 5 years of trump left. Even if he wins and serves a full term. I may be wrong, but I don't imagine him living to 83.
Lol true. My point though was that he is The Thing that will never leave
For a half second I thought you were calling trump the clay rock superhero from the fantastic four.
I may have only thought it for a half second, but I'm still already making popcorn. Because of how entertaining it would be to watch you explain how trump is The Thing.
I hope you have your popcorn! I outsourced the explanation though.
Imagine Donald Trump as The Thing from the Fantastic Four: an oversized, lumbering figure with an unmistakable, gaudy orange, rock-like exterior. His presence is hard to ignore, not just because of his sheer size and brashness but because he bulldozes through political and social norms with little finesse, much like The Thing smashing through walls.
In this form, Trump's bluntness and tendency to overpower conversations mirror The Thing's raw physicality. His speeches are repetitive and simplistic, hammering his points home in a manner akin to The Thing's catchphrase, "It's clobberin' time!"—straightforward and unsubtle.
However, just as The Thing struggles with his monstrous appearance, Trump's public persona is marked by a mix of bravado and thin-skinned sensitivity. His abrasive approach often alienates allies and emboldens critics, making his interactions as rocky as his hypothetical exterior. Both figures are defined by their confrontational nature, but where The Thing's battles are physical, Trump's are rhetorical and often divisive.
That'd be quite the feat considering we have the Constitution and Congress. How do you suppose he'd succeed at this considering Trump and Co were basically laughed out of every courtroom when they brought their election fraud cases to court? He doesn't need to be president for another Jan 6 to happen. He just needs a microphone and a big crowd of pissed off smooth-brains.
Who needs courts when you have a cult of personality, a lot of whom have organized into paramilitary groups?
Even now, the courts are failing to hold him responsible for what he did. They won't save us. And half of Congress is on his fucking side.
If paramilitary groups are how he seizes control of the government, then it doesn't really matter whether he was elected or not because you're talking about outright treason and a civil war, neither of which are predicated on him being elected to office first.
How can you say "who needs courts" when the courts already shot his election fraud nonsense down in every single case they tried to bring? The trial for J6 has barely begun so how can you claim the outcome already? He was already convicted in the NY civil fraud trial.
Maybe you should ask yourself why the guy who's running against him can't even be bothered to shape himself up when, as you claim, we're on the verge of far-right paramilitary groups staging a coup if he doesn't win? How shitty at your job do you have to be that you can't even win against that?
You're preaching to the choir here. Biden is shit. But, again, at least I know he'll go away in 4 years. Trump is going to try his damnedest not to. He already fucking tried once. And frankly, the fact that it's been four years and he's free to try again is proof enough the courts aren't doing enough to stop him. There's a reason they've been pushing all this stuff until after election.
Open your eyes and stop pretending Trump is normal. In nearly 250 years that this country has existed, nobody has tried to pull the shit he's tried to pull, and he will try it again.
Trump literally already tried to overturn an election, for fuck's sake.
Donald did do an insurrection on his way out in 2021. Oh, did you not vote in 2016? Maybe you are technically correct.
There are generally better things happening under democratic rule than republican rule. I get that it can feel small to those of us who want more radical change but there is a difference.
But I agree. Radical change is probably not happening from within the current system. Direct action and external pressure will be needed. But there is still a difference in how tolerant the two parties (and also between intra-party factions) will be of such a movement.
Trump can't be both "different from everyone else" and "everyone's worries about the guy are unfounded, he's just another politician."
While I know you didn't say he's the same, per se, you might as well by comparing alarms that Obama or Romney are going to be forever presidents to the guy literally "joking" about being a forever president that's taken possibly criminal steps to subvert the results of an election already.
It's not just the fringe paranoid folks saying "this could be the end of democracy as we know it if Trump wins."
If Biden wins, then in 2028 he won’t be able to run again, and Trump won’t physically be able to. I’m reasonably confident there will be two “new” choices.
I’m very happy DeSantis seems to have crashed and burned, Christie had his last hurrah, and no one took Ramiswami seriously, but even Sanders’ age is a passing of the torch.
So, will you support Harris, Newsom, or AOC to go up against Abbot?
I'd support AOC but Newsom or Harris are more "status quo" Dems so they'll probably get all the backing from the party in order to prevent a progressive from getting the nomination once again.
Why on earth would you think democrats would allow for someone better in 2028? Biden's win will prove that they can continue propping up fascist extremists and you'll vote for fascist lite.
You're not describing a strategy, you're describing a slow death.
Even so, still better than a perpetual Trump dictatorship.
If Trump wins, he will, without a doubt, try again to end American democracy. He did before. And whatever you think of our current situation, at least we have a fucking voice right now.
It's likely not better though, as the longer we let Dmeocrats play dick-grab with the GOP without actually fighting back tooth and nail (like politician's like Biden are unwilling to do) the more the GOP is able to use their power in a way that's concealed.
The reason RvW had a political effect is because it was shocking and too sudden. What will happen if we keep voting the lesser of two evils is people will get more and more acclimated to having their rights stripped away in small ways, rather than witnessing the horror in a way that's easy to understand.
Even now, in this discussion, it's difficult for you to see the pattern that's occurring from the strategy you're proposing of fear-based voting.
It's uncertain whether a Trump term will allow for the GOP to enact their fascist take-over in full, but continuing to vote for the same milque-toast democrats is 100% a recipe for fascism because they will never reform on their own, and the general public will accept fascism if it comes slowly. I'm not going to try to tell you how to vote, but just own the consequences when they come and don't try to blame others.
You seem to still be thinking in terms of Trump doing a term and going away. He won't. He proved that on 1/6/2021, and his little jokes and musings now only reinforce it.
I have every expectation that, if Trump manages to become President again, he is not leaving that office until he dies. He will undo American democracy to keep his power. He already tried before.
Biden sucks. Democrats suck. You won't catch me arguing with you there. But Trump is the death of the Republic.
Fear-based politics are worthless to me. That is the reason the GOP treats the Democrats as prey, not a threat.
THEN STOP WALKING INTO THEIR FUCKING JAWS
Literally where we are, right now. The only (slim) chance of getting out is reforming the democratic party and shocking the general public awake.
Your way has been a proven failure, it's not an option.
And what chance do you think the Democrats are going to have to reform after Donald Trump undoes the entire democratic process and proclaims himself president for life?
He's not going to go away quietly. We know this. He proved it on 1/6, and he's outright saying it out loud again now. Stop pretending he's just another politician. He's a wannabe despot, and we need to not give him another chance to become an actual one.
Look, Biden is garbage. The Democrats are garbage. But at least they're garbage that play by the fucking rules. If Trump wins, I honestly do not believe we are going to get another chance at this.
There's no guaruntee he will actually be able to achieve this, it's actually unlikely. The president is not a king, Project 2025 or not, they aren't realistically going to be able to keep him in office longer than his term.
The only way out of this is getting fighters in office and the only way of doing that is making milque-toast "bipartisan" politicians politically unviable. And it is a long shot, but continuing support of the democratic establishment that has produced failure after failure simply will not work, no matter how long people do it. It won't give us any opening
Neoliberalism has brought us to this point. It needs to be cast to the side as quickly as possible, not allowed to continue dragging the Democratic party down.
Look at it this way; Biden is willing to play chicken with our democracy himself, so what does that tell you he and the DNC think the actual immediate threat level is here? They seem pretty confident that it's no big deal that Biden is neck and neck with Trump. That should be comforting to Biden supporters.
Ok, so who do i vote for this year?
And what chance do you think Democrats are going to reform if you reward them for continuing to sprint rightward and enacting all the fascist policies NOW that you keep claiming you're the only defense from?
Moving the goalposts any time a third party even comes close to the requirements for inclusion? Check
Having it legally ruled that voters and donors have no say in the DNC's picks? Check
Pushing legislation to remove the red tape from stripping leftist orgs of nonprofit status? Check
Pushing legislation to make ANY criticism of Israel legally antisemetic so any school that allows protests can be stripped of funding and accreditation? Check
....... yes, but do so to further the same fascist agendas.
"Doing things that seem reasonable has proven a failure, so now it's time to try things that are obviously suicidal instead."
So why are you so terrified of Democrats? Seems to me like you're all about emotion-based politics, including fear.
Lol
I'll take the lack of an argument as a confirmation that you understand what I said is true. Anyone who's been alive for more than a single election has witnessed it, it's pretty undeniable.
Voting for Biden is harm reduction. Not voting is just letting the GOP win and voting for Trump is a dumb idea.
I don't even expect Democrats to "learn their lesson" by loosing an election, let alone reform democracy.
They made it clear in 2016, they'd rather the Republicans win than give even an INCH to the left of mid right establishment dems.
Hard agree. I'm tired of people saying the only way to avoid fascism is the guy who
sidestepped congress multiple times to fund/supply genocide,
is pushing legislation to strip leftist orgs of nonprofit status,
pushing legislation to make ANY criticism of Israel legally antisemitic so they can strip any college that allows protests of funding and accreditation
coming from a party that at the slightest whiff of a challenge had it legally ruled that they do what they want, voters and donors be damned
also a party equally complicit in moving the goalposts any time a third party comes close to meeting requirements for inclusion.
America has always been fascist, ruled by a singular corporate party with two wings. The quiet part is out loud now and even prominent democrats and pundits can't help themselves but break out all the fascist stops on leftists.
When democrats and liberals say "we have to stop fascism" they mean "we have to protect my status quo and the fascism that benefits me."
It most comes down to maintaining comfort. Liberals have no issue with groups being harmed by state violence from police and other groups when they aren't the targets. Dems had 4 years to prepare and look forward to what is coming, and the best we have is Joe Biden standing between the status quo and Trump's full-blown fascism.
They like to ignore that dems have had a few opportunities with the trifecta to actually codify these issues and enact stronger policies against the threats we face now (that were apparent at the time) but the problem is democrats don't WANT to lock those basic rights issues down because they need the existential threat. Their only platform for like 20 years now has been "not those guys" so if they actually codified (for example) abortion or even better added it to an amendment - They wouldn't be able to push this narrative that if you don't vote for milquetoast mid right Biden then you're actually WORSE than the fascists and you hate women and you're handing their freedom to """the right""" on a silver platter.
America has always been a single corporate party system, and both wings of that party are pushing for fascism because it's the end goal of any capitalist system. It's just a fight between "marginalized folk are slowly and quietly suppressed so my life continues as normal" fascism or "quiet part out loud day one which I would have to acknowledge" fascism.
People say we can find someone better next time and still vote for yell for everyone to vote for every Neoliberal like Biden when they show up on the ballot. The lesser evil route is what got us here now.
The alternative, right now, is still potentially never having another election.
If that is the case, then I guess it is over if Democracy rests on the shoulder of Joe Biden.
How so?
"Where we are now" is nowhere near as bad as things could be. Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Franco's Spain all happened. Equally bad things could happen here, and in fact they have happened here. Remember how half this country's economy was based on chattel slavery and it led to a bloody civil war? And how there was a genocide of the indigenous population? Is that what you want? Because that's the kind of shit we're in for if we let the fascists win.