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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Who exactly am I supposed to vote for that has a credible chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

[-] ggppjj@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I agree, and strongly believe that the most helpful way forward in this respect would be to implement ranked choice voting, which is just about as out-of-reach to most Americans as a viable third-party candidate is today.

Maybe the next try at democracy will be the one that sticks.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

I would love an alternative to our current FPTP system, but I don't see it happening.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

You can vote for whoever you want, at this point pretty much everyone has a chance to beat these two mad men

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

That's ludicrous. You show me one poll that agrees with you.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

You are supposed to vote for the best nominee not according to made up poll

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Maybe you throw your vote away on someone who has zero chance of winning, but that's not how I vote.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Votes aren't like your bigmac, you can't throw them away

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

You absolutely can. By voting for someone who has no chance of winning. It's purely a thing to make you feel good about yourself. And no one will know either. You could claim you voted for Cornel West but actually vote for Trump and no one will be able to say you were lying.

I'm never going to get what I want, so I vote pragmatically. And stopping the guy who literally says he's going to be a dictator seems like a pretty fucking important thing to do.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

Children in gaza and in the middle east will be the judges of your vote

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

How many Palestinian children's lives will voting for a candidate that will definitely lose save?

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Not supporting these fueling the genocide could indeed save lives.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

You didn't answer my question.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

You sound brainwashed, i presume that by "candidate that will definitely lose" you mean someone that isn't strictly part of the red and blue party. In this case not supporting any of these and voting for someone else could indeed save lives.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

This goes back to my original question- which candidate other than Trump or Biden has a chance of winning? You certainly haven't named them.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Any candidate has the same chances of winning otherwise the election would be rigged

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

No. That is not how elections have ever worked. It has never been that every candidate has an equal chance of winning. Not in ancient Athens and not today in the U.S.

There's a reason why polling is done.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

There’s a reason why polling is done.

polls can be rigged

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Irrelevant to my point, which I think you know.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Then get off your lazy ass and make another party more popular

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

That's not an answer. Who am I supposed to vote for?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Jill Stein, you could be gathering support for her, but instead complain and vote for either of the right wing candidates

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Jill Stein does not have a credible chance of beating both Trump and Biden and why is it my job to do that?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Because she is the candidate of the largest party representing policies you "support" like universal healthcare. You could have spent the last 4 years helping build the party, or another party, or making your own party but instead did nothing.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Dude, I'm seriously ill. I don't eat solid food. I just got back from the Mayo Clinic. I can't walk the dogs without getting worn out.

This is not my job. I can't even hold a regular job.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That sucks, but it's all our job. Trying my best to get you and everyone else being exploited by our medical system help!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

So despite the fact that I don't even have the energy to walk more than half an hour, you expect me to go canvassing? Do you want to put me in a wheelchair and push me around?

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

No of course not, but you do comment a lot on lemmy. I'll keep on talking to people in person we need an online presence as well, I'm trying to post in support of Jill on lemmy and reddit

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

It's May. Jill Stein has no chance in 2024 no matter how much you want that to happen. Not a single poll shows her in even the double digits.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yet you post 1000 comments on lemmy without even attempting to change that. I am expressing democracy, you are not.

[-] ggppjj@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Oh well then, that certainly does help both this person and america in general. Glad we cleared that up and justified your incredibly inflexible approach to telling a disabled person to "get off their lazy ass". You're expressing democracy, got it.

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hilarious. Every liberal uses the same logic: "I wish there was another option but we have to vote blue!" without putting any effort into supporting another party. The dude literally comments thousands of times.

Love how you try to act like I knew they were disabled when I told them that, pathetic from you.

[-] ggppjj@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Love how you equate commenting numbers with ability to do anything, and the reframing of my "pathetic" comment about being inflexible in your arguments once you were made aware of their disabilities as me saying you should have known from the start.

One big love-fest here!

[-] goldenlocks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

inflexible in your arguments once you were made aware of their disabilities

Not true at all, I said we need an online presence and already welcome many disabled people in our ballot efforts through calls and online outreach.

It is pathetic you tried to paint my comment as ableist when no one was aware of the poster's situation and my statement is true. Liberals do need to get off their ass, but instead complain and vote for Dems.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

You mean Jill “Russia funded but slightly less than Trump” Stein lol?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Jill “sitting-between-Putin-and-convicted-felon-and-unregistered-foreign-agent-Michael-Flynn” Stein who collected millions for a recount and then just kept it?

Yeah, nah. Never.

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