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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Right. Sure. I agree with you. But you're totally missing the point of what I was saying.

If the cashier/life guard/security personal left for a few minutes or maybe longer the company that person works for didn't "loose" money because they weren't at their station.

Being productive 100% isn't possible and anything less than 100% isn't a loss.

Companies aren't paying people for works performed but for works completed. The life guard being there at all constitutes them being at work. Just because they left and watched the eclipse for 10 minutes or went to the bathroom or took a personal call isn't a loss!

Which is why the only thing that matters is what work was completed not how much work they did in the time it took to complete.

We need to change the way business interpret what constitutes paid labor.

[-] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

If the cashier/life guard/security personal left for a few minutes or maybe longer the company that person works for didn't "loose" money because they weren't at their station.

If a cashier abandons their post, a nonzero amount of people will leave without purchase instead of waiting an unknown time for them to return.

If a commercial pilot takes a detour to see the eclipse better they can cause huge ripple effects on other flights causing significant costs.

If a security guard skips out on their post for a bit the business can be robbed or otherwise liable for issues during the lapse.

If a lifeguard leaves their post unrelieved or isn't fully paying attention and someone gets injured or dies that's a serious financial liability (at least in the USA)

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Right again, I agree that's a liability. If the employee was negligent in their duties, that is definitely an issue.

Are you implying that every employee must be 100% productive with no deviation?

More importantly, you're making a lot of "if" statements. Which doesn't contradict the point that I'm making. So I'm not entirely sure exactly what it is you are arguing against?

But I will again reiterate exactly what I'm trying to say. The article is implying that there was a loss of productivity when employees went out to look at the eclipse constituting some sort of financial loss.

I am stating that there was absolutely no financial loss whatsoever because employees don't need to be 100% productive at all times as long as the work or project is completed adequately.

I'll use your airline pilot example. If the pilot deviates from his flight plan and a disaster incurs that pilot was negligent. Which is somewhat of a false equivalency. A better example would be if the pilot left to go, use the bathroom or talk to a passenger on the plane leaving his co-pilot in charge of flying the plane. There was no loss in productivity the work of flying the plane will still be completed. Therefore, the pilot should still be paid his regular amount of compensation. The airline didn't lose any money because he wasn't in the pilot seat.

[-] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

A better example would be if the pilot left to go, use the bathroom or talk to a passenger on the plane leaving his co-pilot in charge of flying the plane.

So this assumes there is someone available to cover and not watch the eclipse? How can the copilot abandon their post to watch the eclipse as well?

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Are you intentionally being obtuse? You know exactly what I mean.

this post was submitted on 09 Apr 2024
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