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The most famous forms of Holocaust denial and revisionism tend to focus on Jews, casting doubt, for example, on how many were exterminated in the camps. But denying the impact the Nazis had on the other groups they targeted, including queer and trans people, disabled people and Romani people, is still Holocaust denial. Maybe someone should tell J.K. Rowling.

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[-] Lath@kbin.earth 6 points 8 months ago

Conservative are also the people looking to save various fauna and flora from extinction due to unbridled human activities.
Are they also a plague?

You should avoid bringing negative connotations to words that can be or are a force for good.
Rename the evil if you want, but don't turn away the good as you focus solely on the bad.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 126 points 8 months ago

Conservative are also the people looking to save various fauna and flora from extinction

No. "Conservative" and "conservationist" are two very different words with two very different definitions. You seem to be confusing the two.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh! I thought they were referring to hunters or something.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 2 points 8 months ago

You're partially right. I am confusing the two, but not the spirit of their meaning, which is "to conserve". Conservation is a force for good, but this political party thing is only focused on the bad.
Why let it occupy the entire meaning and overshadow its better uses? To say "Conservative" with disgust is to ignore its potential for better uses.

[-] entity@infosec.pub 80 points 8 months ago

Why change things when you can argue semantics?

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is about changing things. But we're talking about different things to change it seems.
And yes, semantics.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I appreciate that there has been some confusion regarding the use of this word. And I also appreciate your sentiment that it would be nice to focus on the positive. However, so much evil throughout history has come from conservatism, that the word weighs heavily with negative connotation that should not be removed.

In social context, nothing good in the history of mankind has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.

Here is a non-political definition, for some clarification. Note the lack of preservation of nature.

conservative /kən-sûr′və-tĭv/ adjective

Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. Traditional or restrained in style.
"a conservative dark suit."
Moderate; cautious.
"a conservative estimate."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

(My apologies for the American dictionary reference in a thread about an English person. It was just the easiest one to copy/paste on a phone.)

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Moderate; cautious.

Yes, these are my thoughts on the word's meaning, in large.

A moderate and cautious approach to change.

Absolute refusal of change is the extremism part of this definition that seems to be viewed as its defining attribute instead.

Edit: Maybe this view of mine is flawed, but it's how I see a Conservative party should be. To avoid unchecked progress, maintain stability and implement only rigorously verified policies, in small, but certain steps. Their core tenets are moderation and cautiousness.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago

Their core tenets are moderation and cautiousness.

Lol no

Viewing words that prescriptively is kinda insane and willfully ignorant.

When someone says "gay", do you start arguing about how "it has nothing to do with sexuality, it just means carefree', 'cheerful', or 'bright and showy'."?

Cmon. Cmon. CMON

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Fair enough. If politically conservative people legislated with a moderate, cautious demeanor, I would respect that. In fact, I might even side with them on several policies.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

A moderate and cautious approach to change.

What would the moderate and cautious approach have been to gain independence from colonialists?

What would the moderate and cautious approach have been to ending slavery?

What would the moderate and cautious approach have been to giving workers basic rights?

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[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

The big problem about discussing conservatives / Conservatives here is that this board seems quite US-focused. The British Conservative Party (the current party of UK government) pretty much came in to existence back in the day to “conserve” things and put a check on “progressive / liberal” policies. Conservative means something different whether your context is American-politics or whether it’s politics-politics.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I think context is more important and in this context disgust is the correct emotion.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 2 points 8 months ago

I've found that context matters little when emotion takes precedence.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

So which of your emotions made you ignore the context?

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 1 points 8 months ago
[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Well time to pack up the pity party, Lath. There's context to consider.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 1 points 8 months ago

Nah. Context rarely matters.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Conservative is yet another word that's been commandeered to the ends of the right wing. They have a long history of distorting or outright willfully misinterpreting words and symbols. Their use of the punisher logo is a classic example

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[-] suodrazah@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Oh my fuck, clearly the context is lost on you.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

To believe "conservative" branded political parties are conflated with the English connotations of the word is quite frankly falling for propaganda at this point. Politically speaking "conservative" has a unique meaning that has nothing really to do with financial prudence or slow and measured progress. What they seek to "conserve" is old power structures. Heirachies founded on intergenerational wealth or old exclusionary policy that created privileged citizen classes. Sometimes they dress it up in the mask of "traditional values" but it's all basically just smoke and mirrors. It's why they attack inclusive policy, civil rights fights including education policies, social safety nets and tax policies that target wealthier citizens. They have to "conserve" the pecking order where old money remains uncontested power, new money casts the illusion that upward mobility it possible and nobody is allowed to mention that they are being treated as a second class citizen.

The idea of self branding yourself a "conservative" serves by flattering ones own ego because as a label it's primed to make one feel reasonable and measured... But. It's just fluff.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Lol bro really doesn’t know the difference between conservatives and conservationists.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

even if they were the same word... context has meaning.

in a politics news sub, talking about politics; you'd have to be a moron to conflate conservatives [individuals who espouse conservative politics] with something else.

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 1 points 8 months ago

One, this is regular news. Nowhere in the title of the community or the rules listed does it say only politics news, far as I've seen.
Two, you'd have to be a moron to consider people who don't think the same way you do as morons.
Three, morons are allowed to participate in society. If you disagree with this, well, good thing we're in the right place to discuss discrimination.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

context.

You wouldn't expect an article about MC Hammer, some one saying "its hammer time!" to mean home improvement. it's a news sub, and the article is about politics, not wildlife conservation. you're being obtuse.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

That could actually be a great The Onion theme.
Inflamatory - but ambiguos - headline with the article jumping from theme to theme through homonyms and context changes

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Only if we get the construction vest guy from the Village people to do a cover. Is he still alive?

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[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

sheesh you have thoroughly drunk the kool aid, wake up

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

That’s conservationists. Different word, different meaning, and most importantly different people for the most part

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

This makes me think of that woman who was insistent that she was not a musician because she makes music, not magic

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Hey can everyone please assume good faith. This is an easy enough mistake to make if you are ESL.

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