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A 6th grade girls team from Kentucky was set to go for the year-end championship tournament, but was told they were banned due to fears boys teams might 'retaliate' if they lost to the girls team.

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[-] queue 31 points 2 years ago

Just another reminder that sports are segregated by gender because men got upset at women beating them, not because of "muh muscle mass" or "muh bone density".

It's why Chess is fucking segregated by gender. The most "giga brained chess grandmasters" didn't like being beaten by women.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 years ago

This girls team was winning because the boys haven't gone through puberty yet. Not saying it was ok to ban them, but it's false to claim that differences in bone mass and muscle density are imaginary. It just doesn't happen until after puberty.

And chess isn't exactly segregated by gender. The women's league exists to make women in chess more visible, to make it easier to pursue sponsorships, and to encourage more women to join the game. But women are free to compete in the "men's" category (which is actually called the "open" category), and often do. The reasons women haven't gotten to the top of it yet are cultural; women are discouraged from starting to play the game at a young age as all the top players do, and so far fewer women attempt the climb in the first place. But it will happen eventually.

Now if you want to talk about how transphobic FIDE is, there's some real merit in those accusations. Their rules around people who are transitioning are nonsensical, punishing people for absolutely no reason. But the women's league itself exists for good reasons.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

This is a super good point. When my daughter went to 6th grade the girls towered over the boys by more than a foot in many cases. The boys looked so little.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the story clicked when I saw it was 6th grade kids. From the headline I'd assume late teens.

If it was 4th grade it wouldn't have been an issue, but basketball is a very height based sport.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago

Howdy queue -

From where does your belief arise?

I asked (in a left-leaning space) whether sports segregation was sexist, and it was explained to me it was necessary.

Just like it’s hard to argue men aren’t massively bigger murderers than women, I thought there was no contest in the majority of sports too.

I see claims like “no woman in the world is competitive with any top-rated male athlete in any sport except shooting.” redditors add equestrian sports and a few others to the mix (SafeReddit source).

Everyone deserves visibility, and segregation apparently helps.

From Wiki:

In tennis, "Battle of the Sexes" describes various exhibition matches played between a man and a woman, or a doubles match between two men and two women in one case. The term is most famously used for an internationally televised match in 1973 held at the Houston Astrodome between 55-year-old Bobby Riggs and 29-year-old Billie Jean King, which King won in three sets. The match was viewed by an estimated fifty million people in the United States and ninety million worldwide. King's win is considered a milestone in public acceptance of women's tennis.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago

https://theworld.org/stories/2016-08-17/see-120-years-struggle-gender-equality-olympics

Margaret Murdock from the US won a silver in a tie in the 1976 Riffle Event, one of the events in the shooting categories. The rifle event was split into men's and women's events in 1984.

[-] BlackRing@midwest.social 12 points 2 years ago

For example, Judit Polgar. Chess grandmaster, and excellent player, her highest rank in unsegregated rankings, like maybe top 100 right? Yeah, by age 12 she was 55th. Peak she was 8th in the world. Not 8th among women, among men and women.

It's unsettling how she was regarded by some, and this was in the 90s. If I remember right, even Kasparov was less than kind. He might have turned around in his later years.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I remember right, even Kasparov was less than kind. He might have turned around in his later years.

You say that in past tense as if he's dead or something, but Russia put him on its list of "terrorists and extremists" only a few days ago. I dunno if he's still bigoted against women chess players, but as an anti-Putin activist he can't be all bad.

[-] BlackRing@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago

Not intentionally.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I noticed a long time ago that there is "basketball" and "women's basketball" and have considered so much of sports machismo being about male fragility ever since.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Be the change you want to see in the world. Call both of them basketball or gender identify both. In other sports, like the Olympics or Xgames, they identify each section by gender, which makes sense in describing what's happening.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I can't change the fact that there's the NBA and the WNBA.

Until they make it the WNBA and the MNBA, my point stands.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The NBA has been around since 1946, and the WNBA was introduced in 1996. They could have rebranded the NBA at that time I suppose, but the league was under no obligation to and why should they? If someone else spins up a business , I shouldn't have to change my name to accommodate them. I'm going to assume in most cases where the sport league is gendered, it's because one league existed prior to the other like in basketball.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

but the league was under no obligation to and why should they

Gender equality.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's not inequality to identify the different leagues. They could have been the, "Alternate National Basketball League" if they wanted, but instead opted to use a clearer descriptor. Also, just because it's labeled, doesn't make it anything lesser and it's not insulting, it's just a literal description of what it is. In ~~internal~~ international competition, they are identified as men's and women's sports, but it would be nonsensical to rebrand a league just because a different league uses a more specific name.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

"It would be nonsensical to rebrand" was also what I heard about the Washington Redskins.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

"Redskin" is a is a racial slur and is a negative descriptor. "Women" is not a slur nor insulting. These are two very different situations, unless you're insinuating that calling females, "women" is some kind of insult akin to calling Native Americans "Redskins".

[-] dreamer@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Nobody actually cares about women's basketball. Do you watch WNBA?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I don't watch basketball at all, but what is your explanation for that?

[-] dreamer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

It's not exciting. It's boring to watch, at the end of the day that is all it is. I don't watch men's basketball either, but I can very clearly see the difference in the game, they're actually different games entirely.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago

For some sports yes. Chess is bullshit, as is shooting and a couple of others.

Most sports are based on physical strength though, and men would dominate them.

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