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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

. . . So you think not enabling genocide is unrealistic and unreasonable with reality?

The bar here is pretty low, stop sending Israel weapons and money, stop defending them in the UN, and stop saying you support them.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You don't prevent genocide by letting the guy who can't be convinced anything is a bad idea win instead of the guy who can.

If both options were reasonable then ok, let the other guy win as a matter of principle, but right now the alternative is way worse and won't help with your cause either.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Okay so if this guy can be confined genocide is a bad idea, when exactly is that going to happen?

I didn’t think it was so challenging, but I guess Biden really struggles with this choice?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

If Biden doesn't want to lose the votes of people who oppose genocide, he should stop supporting genocide.

Of course, he should also stop supporting genocide because it's genocide. But I guess he'd rather lose than miss out on being a part of it.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

And not voting ends up being support for more genocide

Just as I said, your logic works in a situation where either options are reasonable OR, I would add, if there's more than two options and governments are made of coalitions so you can vote for someone that will influence the party with the most vote to move in the direction that you want so they can form the government.

Neither options apply to the USA at the moment.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And not voting ends up being support for more genocide

I'm voting for Biden. I also know that if he wants the votes of people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker, he needs to stop supporting genocide.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

These people would be hypocrites if they didn't vote for him as letting Trump win means more genocide as he'll do nothing about Gaza and leave Ukraine to fend for itself whereas a Democrat can at least be convinced to change his stance.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ok. So they're hypocrites.

If Biden wants their votes, he needs to break with the pro-genocide centrist wing of his party and stop supporting genocide. I know this will bitterly disappoint every last centrist Democrat, but you can lecture them that they can't always get everything they want and that they need to vote blue no matter who.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Then these people have no right to complain when things get worse.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's not like you want anyone who isn't 100% on board with genocide to have any right to complain now.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

No, I don't want anyone who doesn't vote or get personally involved in politics to complain about the people who get elected.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you say so. Frankly it just looks like you want anyone who doesn't like Biden's support for Netanyahu's genocide to shut up.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

People can not like it all they want, letting Trump take his place by not voting is just virtue signalling and pure idiocy.

"I didn't vote for this guy because he supports Israel!"

"Ok buddy, because of people like you the person now in power supports Israel, stopped support for Ukraine, is attacking women and minority rights... But hey, at least you didn't vote for someone who supports Israel, right?"

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Like so.

I'm voting for Biden. He should stop supporting genocide.

You should too.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You don't win votes by convincing people the other guy's worse. Full stop.

Stop celebrating Democrats making TERRIBLE political moves by failing to condemn terrible political moves...

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Don’t be stupid. Trump is going to demand they nuke and pave Palestine and he’ll open a string of Trump resorts for free as his reward. Think that’s unlikely? Please. We’ve got a ton of receipts. He’s 1000 times worse than a Biden administration. So cut the GRU bullshit.

If “Young Progressive Activists” were actually serious about stopping a millenia-old conflict on the other side of the world, the point of entry is their representative and senator. Do they even know who that is? Representatives pass legislation to require (cease-fire, aid, reparations, whatever) or no more money. That’s what they say they actually want.

Magical Santa President is a child’s cartoon. And the conversation of this constant BiDeN gEnOcIdE train is a sad hEr EmAiLs argument in design and purpose.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

And you don't improve things by letting the worst option take power by your inaction.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No one has said they wouldn't vote against Trump. Why do you assume every vote has to be FOR Biden?

Not every vote has to come with an ass kissing, you sycophantic dipshits.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When did the USA adopt a system where voting independent or third party when you lean left has any influence and prevents the Republicans from taking power? Unless you were planning to vote Republican and will vote for someone else?

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How is it so confusing to understand that someone can still vote for Biden while not wanting to vote for Biden?

You're all literally too simple to understand how personal morals work, apparently. Sad.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, it's your phrase that didn't make sense as you said not voting for Trump while also not voting for Biden, learn to express yourself clearly and then start sharing your opinion.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Again, reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

If at least you were humble enough to not be an ass...

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No one has said they wouldn't vote _against_ Trump. Why do you assume every vote has to be FOR Biden?

Yeah so in written form that's exactly what you said, if you wanted to convey that you would vote for Biden without supporting his politics then that's what you should have said or instead of using all caps on FOR you should have used quotation marks around it.

Pretty funny you're the one who started throwing insults by I'm the ass here

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

convincing people the other guy’s worse.

At its heart, voting is choosing the least-worse option.

Our best case is being able to repeat this until the criminally-bad options are gone and we only have good options to choose from, but while life expectancy and objective happiness is far, far below what it should be for such a rich nation, you know we have some heavy evolution ahead.

[-] dvoraqs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Voting in a First Past the Post election system is like this. If we can switch to another system like the Single Transferrable Vote, we can get better results.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

You think preventing this country from turning into a dictatorship that is planning to commit genocide on LGBTQs and women her is a low bar?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You think supporting genocide is acceptable as long as it's brown people in another country?

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I think destroying this country, eliminates any possibility of stopping genocide anywhere else. But you seem intent on supporting genocide everywhere...

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't support genocide at all. It's why I want Biden to stop.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

By helping Trump get elected and ensuring the continued and escalation of genocide both in the middle east and here.

Hmm.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You can't defend Biden's support for genocide, so you pretend everyone who opposes genocide is a trump supporter.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I support the best chance for stopping/preventing genocide both in the middle east and here.

You don't, it's very simple.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Biden's support for genocide will cause him to lose the election.

I want him to stop because democrats should not be supporting genocide.

You want him to continue. It's that simple.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Supporting Trump and his dictatorship! Great choice!

Pan meet fire.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You literally cannot tell the difference between wanting Biden to stop supporting genocide versus supporting Trump.

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Imagine being this indoctrinated into American exceptionalism.

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