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Biden Threatens ‘Come to Jesus Moment’ for Netanyahu on Hot Mic
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. . . So you think not enabling genocide is unrealistic and unreasonable with reality?
The bar here is pretty low, stop sending Israel weapons and money, stop defending them in the UN, and stop saying you support them.
You don't prevent genocide by letting the guy who can't be convinced anything is a bad idea win instead of the guy who can.
If both options were reasonable then ok, let the other guy win as a matter of principle, but right now the alternative is way worse and won't help with your cause either.
Okay so if this guy can be confined genocide is a bad idea, when exactly is that going to happen?
I didn’t think it was so challenging, but I guess Biden really struggles with this choice?
If Biden doesn't want to lose the votes of people who oppose genocide, he should stop supporting genocide.
Of course, he should also stop supporting genocide because it's genocide. But I guess he'd rather lose than miss out on being a part of it.
And not voting ends up being support for more genocide
Just as I said, your logic works in a situation where either options are reasonable OR, I would add, if there's more than two options and governments are made of coalitions so you can vote for someone that will influence the party with the most vote to move in the direction that you want so they can form the government.
Neither options apply to the USA at the moment.
I'm voting for Biden. I also know that if he wants the votes of people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker, he needs to stop supporting genocide.
These people would be hypocrites if they didn't vote for him as letting Trump win means more genocide as he'll do nothing about Gaza and leave Ukraine to fend for itself whereas a Democrat can at least be convinced to change his stance.
Ok. So they're hypocrites.
If Biden wants their votes, he needs to break with the pro-genocide centrist wing of his party and stop supporting genocide. I know this will bitterly disappoint every last centrist Democrat, but you can lecture them that they can't always get everything they want and that they need to vote blue no matter who.
Then these people have no right to complain when things get worse.
It's not like you want anyone who isn't 100% on board with genocide to have any right to complain now.
No, I don't want anyone who doesn't vote or get personally involved in politics to complain about the people who get elected.
If you say so. Frankly it just looks like you want anyone who doesn't like Biden's support for Netanyahu's genocide to shut up.
People can not like it all they want, letting Trump take his place by not voting is just virtue signalling and pure idiocy.
"I didn't vote for this guy because he supports Israel!"
"Ok buddy, because of people like you the person now in power supports Israel, stopped support for Ukraine, is attacking women and minority rights... But hey, at least you didn't vote for someone who supports Israel, right?"
Like so.
I'm voting for Biden. He should stop supporting genocide.
You should too.
Don’t be stupid. Trump is going to demand they nuke and pave Palestine and he’ll open a string of Trump resorts for free as his reward. Think that’s unlikely? Please. We’ve got a ton of receipts. He’s 1000 times worse than a Biden administration. So cut the GRU bullshit.
If “Young Progressive Activists” were actually serious about stopping a millenia-old conflict on the other side of the world, the point of entry is their representative and senator. Do they even know who that is? Representatives pass legislation to require (cease-fire, aid, reparations, whatever) or no more money. That’s what they say they actually want.
Magical Santa President is a child’s cartoon. And the conversation of this constant BiDeN gEnOcIdE train is a sad hEr EmAiLs argument in design and purpose.
And you don't improve things by letting the worst option take power by your inaction.
When did the USA adopt a system where voting independent or third party when you lean left has any influence and prevents the Republicans from taking power? Unless you were planning to vote Republican and will vote for someone else?
No, it's your phrase that didn't make sense as you said not voting for Trump while also not voting for Biden, learn to express yourself clearly and then start sharing your opinion.
Again, reading comprehension of a 5 year old.
If at least you were humble enough to not be an ass...
No one has said they wouldn't vote _against_ Trump. Why do you assume every vote has to be FOR Biden?Yeah so in written form that's exactly what you said, if you wanted to convey that you would vote for Biden without supporting his politics then that's what you should have said or instead of using all caps on FOR you should have used quotation marks around it.
Pretty funny you're the one who started throwing insults by I'm the ass here
At its heart, voting is choosing the least-worse option.
Our best case is being able to repeat this until the criminally-bad options are gone and we only have good options to choose from, but while life expectancy and objective happiness is far, far below what it should be for such a rich nation, you know we have some heavy evolution ahead.
Voting in a First Past the Post election system is like this. If we can switch to another system like the Single Transferrable Vote, we can get better results.
You think preventing this country from turning into a dictatorship that is planning to commit genocide on LGBTQs and women her is a low bar?
You think supporting genocide is acceptable as long as it's brown people in another country?
I think destroying this country, eliminates any possibility of stopping genocide anywhere else. But you seem intent on supporting genocide everywhere...
I don't support genocide at all. It's why I want Biden to stop.
By helping Trump get elected and ensuring the continued and escalation of genocide both in the middle east and here.
Hmm.
You can't defend Biden's support for genocide, so you pretend everyone who opposes genocide is a trump supporter.
I support the best chance for stopping/preventing genocide both in the middle east and here.
You don't, it's very simple.
Biden's support for genocide will cause him to lose the election.
I want him to stop because democrats should not be supporting genocide.
You want him to continue. It's that simple.
Supporting Trump and his dictatorship! Great choice!
Pan meet fire.
You literally cannot tell the difference between wanting Biden to stop supporting genocide versus supporting Trump.
Imagine being this indoctrinated into American exceptionalism.
You’re right, the PotUS is a completely powerless position, Biden literally can’t do anything! He’s forced to put support bills offering aid to Israel, to fast track weapons to Israel ignoring congress, to have his Secretary of State protect Israel in the UN.
The President is such a completely powerless position, right?
He actually structured the deals in a way that they didn't meet the minimum dollar amount for congressional oversight, which is mind bendingly illegal.
He doesn't have to continue selling them weapons. He doesn't have to keep running interference for them at the UN.
You should stop making excuses for Biden's support for genocide.
I forgot he decides that in all in a magical bubble! I mean this should be obvious, gas prices have been insane for 4 years now! Does this guy have no chill?!
Biden did not need to circumvent congress to sell Netanyahu weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. No one would have blamed him if he didn't, and no one was clamoring for it.
Apart from you and Netanyahu, who would have been disappointed if Biden's administration hadn't abused the US' permanent veto on Netanyahu's behalf?
We know what it's costing Biden. What would not doing it have cost him?