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Veterans Burn Their Uniforms at Vigil for US Airman Aaron Bushnell
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Does he believe in the state using force to kill its citizens to enforce their rule and limit democratic freedoms?
PSL is ML, so yeah, unfortunately.
Edit: let's talk for a minute about some really important history here. Leninists have ridden anarchists to victory then turned around and murdered them, starting with Lenin himself. Makhnovists saved the Red Army from being destroyed by the white. The Soviet Revolution was originally an anarchist one until it was betrayed by the Bolsheviks, who murdered anarchists from the beginning.
Even Trotskyists need to be held accountable for this, since Trotsky himself was responsible for crushing dissent at Kronostat.
Aaron Bushnell was an anarchist. He was an anarchist service member. MLs honoring his sacrifice need to face the fact that their ideological ancestors did murder people like him for their own resistence.
MLs try to take over anarchist actions even today. PSL has tried to co-opt actions that my anarchist comrades have organized. They are overwhelmingly ineffective, which is why the feed so much on anarchist energy and appropriate anarchist actions all the time. Tankies use anarchists to get attention for themselves and dispose of us when we become inconvenient.
And if you can't honestly acknowledge the dissonance between the history of appropriation and oppression of people who you openly acknowledge are on the same side as you, then you don't really want a more free and equitable world, you just want your cult to wear the boots that are on everyone else's neck.
So yeah, fuck tankies. This is a great action. Don't let them appropriate it.
The Murray Rothbard Aficionado has logged on.
Observe the natural tendency of the tankie to label the left anarchist as a reactionary whenever confronted with facts. Notice the complete refusal to engage with those facts and instead distract from them by attempting to discredit the anarchist.
Oh yeah, we've got a Rothbardian in our midst.
Literally anything to avoid reality, especially stabbing other communists in the back. Lol, ok tankie.
Real Fascist Rhetoric Hours
Hell yeah. What an awesome comment. I appreciate you!
Everyone here who isn't a center right Biden supporter is essentially a tankie according to the majority of users here.
Anarchists who show a modicum of respect for MLs and don't go along with the center right party line? TANKIES!
Communists of all sorts who might find themselves somewhere in the middle of Y axis? TANKIES!
Left unity in face of the center right? TANKIES!
You don't vote Biden? China or Russian psyop and a tankie!
The majority of users on Lemmy are leftists, so I doubt that immensely.
ftfy. At least on lemmy.world. And no being a liberal doesn't make you a leftist, nor even necessarily left of center, depending on what brand of liberalism you subscribe to.
Liberals aren't leftists. You don't have much excuse for not knowing the difference by now.
I said leftists, because they are.
The majority here are not liberals.
The majority of people here are liberals - not leftists.
Strongly disagree.
The majority of people here aren't tankie fucks, but they're certainly leftists.
You talk like someone who only learnt what the term tankie means a week ago.
Do you even know what it is that makes liberals right-wing?
You talk like someone who's cool with ML's.
Do you even know what it is that makes ML's authoritarian?
I'll take that as a no - so I'll be happy to educate you.
Right-wing politics exist for one reason and one reason only - to protect the status quo. This means liberalism (which includes that which gets called "conservativism" in the US) is perfectly and fundamentally right-wing.
The only thing that liberals and their right-wing fellow travellers disagree on is the means by which the status quo should be protected - liberals believe that the status quo should be protected by making it "nicer" through "reform" in the hopes of eliciting less resistance while fascists (for instance) believe that the status quo should be protected through unrestricted state violence. But no matter their differences, upholding the status quo is something these right-wingers fundamentally agree on.
A leftist doesn't believe that applying lipstick to a pig changes anything - as a liberal does - but instead believes that the status quo must be dismantled by whatever means necessary. This is what makes leftists leftist.
So no... this place is flooded by liberals - leftists are still a minority here.
Give me a fucking break, no self respecting leftist would give Biden their vote. The vast majority here is liberals cosplaying as leftists to undermine actual left unity.
“Everyone to the south of a ML is a liberal”. Ironic.
America has no choice, they don’t live in a democracy. They get to pick Trump or Biden, you can whinge that they should all grab their guns and revolt, but they can’t even get enough people together to peacefully change things so that isn’t happening any time soon.
You can be an accelerationist and hope that Trump winning will create class consciousness, but you’re paying for that with the lives of christo-fash victims.
What’s your solution mate?
It's too fucking easy with you guys.
What’s your solution?
They have no solution. They are just here to divide and stoke anger and hatred.
Stop supporting war hawks and capitalists. Do grass root activism, vote third party and do work to get the people around you to do the same. It's not fucking rocket science.
Guess what, one of the only politicians who could have beat Trump back in 2016 usually runs as an independent. He took a chance with Dems and look where that got us.
You're literally posting on an article about someone who does just that. Honoring someone who gave his life to do just that.
Get lost with your our way or the high way bullshit. You're disrespectful to the memory of Aaron Bushnell.
Right, but those are long term things.
What will not voting Biden in a few months time achieve?
Do you think the minority of leftists in America voting 3rd party will see the 3rd party option win?
I’ve said no such thing about my way or the highway, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up.
A) increase the amount of votes for third parties B) make my vote reflect my politics and discontent with the current regime?
You've said no such thing, but you keep implying that you have an issue with it....
Is the next election the one when it's gonna be ok to vote third party? No? What about the next one? No not yet? What about the previous one? Neither? See how that works...
Okay so you get a negligible increase in 3rd party votes and a sense of pride and satisfaction in reflecting your political views.
That's got to feel great and all, but how does that solve any of the issues with the US governments actions?
I get where you're coming from, with the time to vote stuff, because there will always be another even worse option. But how does the worse option winning this election help you achieve your long term goal of systematic change?
And what about the fact that the current bunch of worse option isn't just some typical 80s neolib conservative keen on axing all social welfare and demonising the poor, but literal christo-fascists who would like to see the system overthrown for a regime that will offer even less chance for you ever achieving long term change.
My issue is with the lack of any clear long term plan or goal here for a solution. The only way I can see change happening is through grassroots organisation, and if you haven't managed to build that up by now, it's certainly not going to be achieved within 8 months time.
You should consider writing fairytale books. You've got nice imagination.
Tell me more how you don't understand the US political situation and elections please.
Bam, I fucking knew it! Thanks for proving my point.
I don't feel like rewording this to better fit the conversation so:
https://lemmy.world/comment/7927657
TL;DR Third party is not viable in the current US voting system no matter how hard you fantasize about it. And not voting for the non wannabe dictator so you can stroke off over how you "showed it to the system" is even dumber or you actually like dictators.
You're right. As the saying goes, "Vote for who you love in the primaries and against who you can't stand in the general election." After all, the enemy of my enemy is-
...the bitter irony.
Let's face it, the facts are that every 4 years, we have 3-ish years to push for grassroots efforts and electing local officials for things like 3rd party candidates and ranked choice voting, a chance to make a statement by voting for who you love (or a vote against who you hate if you live in a state that let's independents vote in either primary) that no politician is going to take notice of in the primaries, and then we have to vote against the guy we don't want in office come the general election.
The Republicans won't allow us to do otherwise, and for one simple reason: they toe the party line, regardless. They don't care who is on the ballot. It could be Trump, Bush, Putin, or Stalin himself, risen from the dead to destroy capitalism once and for all. So long as they have that R next to their name, that's who they'll vote for. As an old boss of mine once said, and my grandfather before him, both with the same incredulous look as if they couldn't understand why somebody would possibly ask them who they were voting for: "I'm a Republican. I vote for the nominee."
Leftists get all riled up once every 4 years, like a swarm of cicadas screaming about 3rd party candidates when it comes time to vote for the President, and then go back to sleep. And the Dems love it. Because Republicans vote down the party line all year long, meaning that when those 4 years come up again, there's no other choice against the continuing slide further and further right than voting for their corporate sponsored candidate of choice. We need to claw seats from both Dems and Republicans for any meaningful change (preferably from Republicans). Otherwise, weakening the Dems only furthers the goals of the Republicans.
You wanna make a difference? Vote local, vote often, and help other people get to the polls. There's a reason that election days aren't holidays, and any real change isn't going to start with those lifetime appointees whose best interests are in opposing any meaningful change in the system. It's going to start in your town and state elections.
Fuck yeah. This is an awesome comment. I appreciate you! Keep fighting the good fight.
To paraphrase Muhammad Ali: "I ain’t got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Viet Cong ever called me the N-word".
Hitler never tried to kill me based on my ethnicity but I’ve still got a problem with him.
You can and should oppose fascism and authoritarianism without being the targeted victim.
Ali was making a statement about his refusal to be sent to fight in Vietnam. That soldiers are individuals, and that they have more in common with each other than they do with their own leadership.
I mean, yeah fascism and its leadership must be opposed in all its forms, but the average German soldier in WW2 wasn't any more brainwashed than the average American soldier is now.
The armies of the enemy are not our enemy. They are distant parts of ourselves, ruled over by wicked masters just as we are.
And that relates to being critical of and not supporting authoritarian regimes how?
It's a warning, that in fighting fascism we must always remember that the enemy is not the people to avoid becoming the oppressor.
Me: Because you can be a leftist and not support that shit by holding positive views of the Soviet Union or China.
Them: To paraphrase Muhammad Ali: “I ain’t got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Viet Cong ever called me the N-word”.
You: It’s a warning, that in fighting fascism we must always remember that the enemy is not the people to avoid becoming the oppressor.
That seems like a very unrelated tangent you've gone on here?
Unless you're trying to argue that the people who push for and actively want those oppressive regimes are not the enemy? Which is so utterly ridiculous that I don't think that's your point.
We didn't enter the war with Germany until after Pearl Harbor. So, it was less Hitler than Tojo that ultimately provoked our entry into the war.
It should be noted that FDR opposed fascism in Europe by sending enormous amounts of military aid to a certain Russian Communist by the name of Joseph Stalin. Quite a few of his peers argued the opposite. It was Stalin who was the true menace and Hitler who should have been our natural ally.
So, who should we have opposed? The Fascist or the Authoritarian?
Americans thinking the world is America.
Are you saying you have no issue with China because you aren't a Uigher?
Leftism should be accompanied by the belief that no matter where someone is born or with what traits, they should be able to live a happy and comfy life. No government should be exempt from persecuting people. A Tankie says "well, hold on" if it's a government they like.
You're not describing "Leftism". You're describing "Consumerism". The leftist struggle for a free and equitable society does not guarantee happiness or comfort. It guarantees a worker's right to the fruits of one's labor.
And sending troops abroad to butcher civilians and burn down their homes does nothing to accomplish either.
Again, it is absolutely crazy to see to "tankie" conflated with "please stop bombing people".
How the hell did you get "a Tankie says to stop bombing people" from "a Tankie excuses genocides if they like the country"?
My whole point is that there's certain countries where they don't say "please stop bombing people" and make excuses defending the country instead.
It's very telling however that your thought of people being able to live happily and freely no matter where they're born or with what traits is "consumerism".
Fascists constantly telling me that we need to bomb the village in order to save it, and if you don't support napalming My Lai, you're with the Terrorists.
Name. That. Country.
Its Utopian to believe people simply stop having problems under a particular ideological system. Capitalists and Communists alike need to deal with droughts and pandemics and supply chain failures and climate change.
Neither system guarantees people happiness and freedom.
But recognizing ecological limits means you're a "tankie"? While devouring seed corn because it makes you happy is... what? Real Leftism?