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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago

“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

none of your fucking business. and before you accuse me of fascism, remember it's the fascists and authoritarians who demand blind loyalty and vote checks.

I can of course recognize trump is worse than biden. I can also recognize that Biden is still bad, and call that bullshit out. Perhaps Biden should maybe recognize; like any human with a fucking soul that genocide is fucking bad and maybe do what he can to stop it. So far; all we have is vague promises and platitudes while sending increasing amounts of money and arms to the genocidal dickfucks.

congratulations, you provoked me. troll.

[-] Ekybio@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

I dont need your hate. But Democracy needs your vote.

Torch him for Palestine all you want, AFTER Trump is in the ground and the GOP crumbles.

If you cant swallow your pride, then you deserve MAGAmerica.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Don't negotiate till you have zero leverage!

Neoliberals sure are something else, you all should really help Americans and open car dealerships with those negotiating skills.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If your idea of negotiation is the equivalent of drilling holes in the boat while we are all at sea, you are a terrible negotiator.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

The primary is the only time to drag Biden left, and even then it's likely he ignores his campaign promises if elected.

Telling people they can't even do that, is just going to make them give up and become disengaged.

Biden isn't a strong enough candidate to do that, he barely beat trump last election. He had plenty of popular votes extra, but because the electoral college is a thing, if trump got like 30k more votes in 3 states, Trump would have won again. Biden needs every vote he can get.

Pretending everything will be fine so we don't have to do anything doesn't work for climate change and it doesn't work for elections.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 7 points 11 months ago

No one is pretending everything is fine, we are just in triage mode for democracy and are trying to save the patient first because the alternative is massively worse.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 11 months ago

By slapping the patient and saying they need to lose weight before they treat their bullet wounds.
Everything is mismatched responses and no one listens to anything but themselves and their echo chamber anymore.

It's not bad advice to vote for the obviously not fascist wannabe but it's not gonna be the best advice when we can see his polling numbers are fucking atrocious, and the beatings aren't getting those numbers back up. No one is just talking to the American people and asking what their symptoms are and building a plan from it. It's all just assumed but no one seems to be actually on the same page.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The difference is I'm talking about how to save American democracy...

And you're talking about how to trick people into voting for the oldest person to ever run for US President.

Biden only has to be the candidate because the DNC says so. They're not good at picking candidates if you haven't noticed. Because they care more about donors and fancy fundraisers than getting votes.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

By making sure the one candidate that has the support of the most anti democratic forces is elected.

Bold strategy, Cotton…

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If the only positive for a candidate is that he's not the other candidate...

And polling is pointing toward an incredibly close race because of that...

Maybe you should also be helping ring the alarm bells while there's still time to run literally anyone else so we don't have to deal with four more years of trump?

Or are you just going to ignore all warnings and then act shocked and blame everyone with the common sense to warn you before it was too late?

I hope you make the one pick that would actually help our chances, but I'll never hear what you picked.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I love how your ilk just wipes away minor details like "discouraging voters from voting by lying and saying Biden and trump are similar is not only not destructive, it actually is good"

Dunno, if I were on a boat with someone trying to sink it I'd probably be willing to give them some concessions. I might even be willing to try to stop a genocide that I have the power to stop, despite how crazy that sounds.

[-] suction@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago
[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

To be honest maybe America does deserve Trump. Biden is no where near as bad as Trump but maybe when your countries leadership boils down to choosing one keeping the status quo while genociding or the other being a fascists while genociding you don't really deserve anything good.

[-] julianh@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

Nice take, you should tell it to the women who could die if there was a nationwide abortion ban, or maybe someone in the LGBT community that Trump wants to put in camps. I'm sure they'll love to hear that they deserve it.

[-] mzesumzira@leminal.space 11 points 11 months ago

I'm sorry, are you saying that millions of people, including children, all deserve to suffer because their establishment sucks?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Precisely what they said, yes. People are such trash...

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

We elect our establishment. We don't live in a dictatorship. You can't argue that we collectively aren't somewhat responsible for who we put in office.

[-] mzesumzira@leminal.space 1 points 11 months ago

We are, to a point. US election system is particularly bad in representation, what with gerrymandering and voters disenfranchising, but even if it wasn't it's callous to say people deserve to suffer because they don't understand what they're voting for.

You're speaking from a position of privilege.

[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

it's callous to say people deserve to suffer because they don't understand what they're voting for.

How? Will live in age were information is more freely available than in any other part of history. It's your responsibility to be an informed voter. Ignorance isn't an excuse to give your vote away.

You're speaking from a position of privilege.

As Americans we all are. We don't live in a monarchy or a military dictatorship. Everyone is screaming about how important this election is for democracy but democracy is how we got here. Every person who instituted policies that encouraged voter disenfranchising and gerrymandering was voted in. Those who decided not to challenge these policies and kept the status quo were voted in. Facism doesn't happen overnight. In a lot of cases the populace genuinely asks for it

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Gee I wonder why such a trash fire of an opinion would get downvoted.

[-] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 6 points 11 months ago

Do you have a prom date yet

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