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Estonia considers closing its border with Russia
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are they being badly treated? forcefully enlisted? killed? their life is the same as before the full-scale invasion, their life is the same as before 2014. so why the heck do they need protection?
In thousands of cases, yes.
Bullshit. The overbroad sanctions and boycotts as well as acts of the tyrannical Putin government have changed the lives of almost all Russians and foreign residents dramatically for the worse.
Again, talking out of your ass.
For the same reason as all other refugees: because they're fleeing violence, oppression and societal collapse.
We had this with Yanukovich. Got rid of him. Maybe instead of fleeing, they should take over their country? The question is rhetorical.
Comparing Yanukovic to Putin is like comparing apples and orchards. Putin is so much more powerful and entrenched that the very notion is ridiculous.
Here's a rhetorical question for you: are you arguing in bad faith or are you just an absolute moron?
I'm just a Ukrainian living in Kyiv. If I were living in Eastern Ukraine, I would have wished them all dead.
I'm sorry for what you and your country are going through, but it doesn't mean you know anything about how powerful and entrenched the Russian government is. Clearly.
The ones LEAVING Russia to AVOID the war? They've never done anything against you.
I thank God every day that this Ukrainian has you to educate him on the nuances of Ukrainian/Russian politics.
He is educating him on exclusively Russian politics.
Being Ukrainian doesn't make it any less wrong to assume that it's easy to overthrow Putin and demand that refugees should stay in countries that are likely to kill them and/or force them to kill others.
Maybe, but your faith that Putin's power is absolute, that he is immune to being overthrown is just as flawed.
Why is his table so long? Why has he done several brutal purges of his personal guard? Why has he installed members of his personal guard to high ranking military posts?
These are the actions of a man who looks into a crystal ball and says "wow, getting crushed by a popular uprising is on the menu for me"
Recal how few rednecks it takes to storm a capital building. Recall the relative density of rednecks in Russia.
I'm glad that you have complete faith that an uprising couldn't topple Putin's regime. You should tell Putin, I think he would find incredible comfort in your expert analysis.
And you need to understand the how flat your words must fall on the ears of those who literally have participated in such an uprising as you brush off as impossible.
I agree with you that harming refugees is bad. That discussion sits in the domain of humanitarian ethics, something that I think we all have the prerequisite knowledge for, assuming we have the capacity for human empathy.
On the topic of uprising against a Russian leader, I think you need to accept that your armchair assessment has been informed by a significant amount of propeganda from either side, and that you might not be as much an authority as you might imagine yourself
He never said that it is impossible to overthrow him, he said that it is very difficult. Which is objectively true. Putin is a leader of a superpower, he has nukes for god's sake. This other user is claiming that because they overthrow their president that they could also overthrow a dictator that has been in power for dacades consolidating his power and controls a huge military aresenal at his disposal.
Furthermore. this user from Ukraine, that of course we all simpatize on terms of being at war, has clearly belived in anti-russian racist propaganda so much that he belives that people in Russia are not forced to go to war, but are volenrarly getting shot at in war just because they are so evil and want to kill as many Ukranians as possible. They clearly stated that they live lives just as comfortable as before 2014, and doesn't understand that they are under santctions and has no understanding of what santions actually do to a population.
Do you think the USA being a nuclear power informed Jan 6? Do you think nuclear weapons informed Wagner's march to Moscow?
Why would a dictator comfortable with their claim feel the need to keep other people off the ballot? Why were civilians forced to create highway obstructions for Wagner?
The stranglehold on power isn't as complete as Putin wants people to believe, and he knows it.
The barrier is will, not capacity.
Are you really comparing Jan 6 to fight against Putin? Do you know that leader of main opposition in Russia is in jail for simply being in opposition? Trump is still not in jail after a coup. Of course he can be removed from power, but don't be ridicoulous with claims that people are just lazy or not brave enough. If you even start to organize to critique the goverment in Russia, you go to jail. It is a lot harder to actually form a movement when they arrest you so fast, as soon as you say that you are displeased, let along actually try to form a group for protest, let along an armed revolution. Of course it is possible, but lets not be ignorant and compare it to other regimes.
So kill everyone that is fleeing a war? Should Ukrainans fleeing a war be killed as well for not fighting for their country? Or are you just openly racist against Russians, saying all of them are bad and need to be killed.
Did Yanukovich kill anyone who critissized his government? How violent and determined to stay in power was Yanyukovich compared to Putin? Also this is clearly a general anti-migrant comment. "Fix the problem in your country instead of fleeing" is a dangerous and hipocritical rethoric. Why don't you fix it for them if you are more brave then them? Are you fighting in Ukranian war, risking your life being shot at? Or are you at home critisizing someone for not risking their lives enough? There is no reason to force them to fight in a war by not allowing them to enter another country.
Do you seriously believe racist propaganda so much to think that Russians are an evil population that willingly goes to war and not because the ruling class is making them fight? How many people do you know that willingly went to fight in a war and get shot at? Even those that believe that some wars are justified almost never actually do this. And have you even heard of sanctions? Let alone experience life in sanctions? This is most ignorant comment here.