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U.S. Rejects Putin’s Latest Call for Ukraine Negotiations
(www.nytimes.com)
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which is a perfectly reasonable demand.
but since the US wants blood....
No, demanding your neighbours all remain weak enough for you to continue bullying is not perfectly reasonable at all
as opposed to having your biggest aggressor right in your doorstep?
All of the countries near Russia that joined NATO did so because they already have their biggest aggressor on their doorsteps.
so afraid that they based their energy grids on russian fuel
If buying stuff from the other side is your yardstick, NATO clearly wasn't a threat to Russia. Germany, Italy, France, and America were all some of Russia's largest import sources in 2021.
which all sounds really dumb if russia was that big of an aggressor in the first place. either that or you know, they werent.
Yep, those Russian tanks that crossed into Ukrainian sovereign land were tanks of peace.
Those paratroopers were there to peacefully take the airport too
Oh cool, then neither is aggressor. Since they were both doing business with each other. Because apparently that's how it works.
Then whats the fucking problem. Why provoke this useless war with russia?
Functionally illiterate troll does not understand "your argument is self-defeating nonsense" unless it's spelled out.
And I'm putting a lot of faith in the implication you understand it even now.
way to move the goalposts here. wasnt russia a huge scary threat?
I'm sorry I misplaced that faith.
I am using your argument... to point out... your argument makes no god-damn sense. I don't believe your argument. I am highlighting how, if you believed your argument, you'd find it fucks up your conclusion. But you don't care.
You're just making mouth noises to justify a conclusion you picked well before any argument-shaped sentences.
im straight up telling you what made me come to my conclusion and repeating it back to me doesnt make much sense to me if your goal is to convincing me otherwise.
Your excuses work the other way around, fool.
Can't really help you if your comprehension can't keep up.
you aint helping me by being nonsensical.
It's your nonsense.
You said Russia can't be the aggressor, because Europe did business with them.
If we pretend that's relevant: it'd mean Europe can't be the aggressor either, because Russia did business with them. So I guess nobody invaded anybody?
Meanwhile in reality, Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is pretty goddamn aggressive. And exactly what Europe expected could happen. And in fact, part of what doing business with Russia was intended to prevent. Didn't work. Doesn't mean Europe was somehow at fault for the country that keeps invading its neighbors, invading its neighbors. A country that does so with such regularity, most of Europe is in the Stop Russia Invading Its Neighbors club (which borders with Russia, how dare they!), and Russia still invades its neighbors who aren't in the club. Whilst telling them: this is the stop-us-invading-you club's fault. Which is fucking nonsense.
Anyway your hot take on all this has been shuffling cards in search of relevant excuses, so I think we're done forever.
i was saying it was stupid to rely so hard on a so called aggressor.
Lie better.
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Yes. Creating co-dependencies and peacetime ties, in hopes of keeping relations normal and peaceful.
so save a couple of things, almost exactly as they have been before motherfuckers started provoking war with russia
Belligerently existing near the border, how dare they. Did you see what they were wearing?
yeah lets put the worlds biggest aggressor's army right at their doorstep.
that oughtta make them happy.
Word salad.
can't really help you if your comprehension can't keep up.