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OP thinks genociding Palestinians is a character quirk and not a serious flaw that disqualifies a politician
Except the meme is wrong because Trump would be even worse for Palestine.
That’s not true, Trump has been president once before. Biden and his administration are ardent Zionists like no administration before. Even Reagan and Bush Sr. exerted pressure to stop Israeli carnage in Lebanon and elsewhere. Bush Sr went as far as threatening to withhold 10 billion in US aid. Meanwhile Biden is bypassing Congress to send weapons so that Israel can carry on its crimes. Trump at worst will be the same.
What I don’t get is why not primary someone else? Another Democratic candidate.
And what happened when Trump was president? He moved the embassy to Jerusalem. Biden stopped Israel from invading Jordan. You're smoking something if you think Trump wouldnt be multiples worse.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is worse than a genocide?
That’s a very absurd take.
Just a little factoid for you: there wasn't a war at the time, you know. The point was that Trump was all for Israel no matter what and would be multiple more if he was in office now.
Cheers.
There is always a war on Palestine by Israel. You think everything started on October 2023?
Here’s one of many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2019_Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_clashes
Yes, and Trump did exactly what to try to mitigate those circumstances?
It was an oversimplification, but the point was that Trump broke a longstanding policy of trying to display some semblance of neutrality by moving the embassy to Jerusalem, even as Zionists continued to exhibit these behaviors. To the extent Trump was given a chance to indicate his policy on the conflict, he sided against the Palestinians. It wasn't much compared to what faces Gaza now, but given the context of the activity of the time, it's the best indicator we have to go on.
The point is both likely candidates are going to be unreasonably friendly to the Zionists, probably equally bad in real terms. Biden has said empty words about Israel maybe perhaps not doing things right, and I suspect Trump wouldn't even say such things, but the difference in rhetoric may be more anti-Palestinian with Trump, but the core substance of the situation will likely be the same either way.
It absolutely positively sucks that we have to face the reality of one of two evils and have to settle for selecting the lesser of the evils, but to stand on principle and sit things out will do nothing to advance your principles but compromise many other principles you may hold dear.
It's not comparable to supporting the latest Israeil offensive, however that level of offensive was not in play during Trump's term. However, during his term Israel did continue it's general anti-Palestinian aggression, and Trump was obviously fine and dandy with it to the point of moving the embassy to effectively take the side of the Zionists. So every data we have to guess Trump's behavior relative to the Gaza invasion suggests he'd be at least as pro-Zionist as the current administration.
Trump is not a Reagan or Bush or even a "Republican" so much as he is "Trump". To the extent it came up, he was snubbed by former presidents including Bush. Trying to extrapolate 30 year old Republican behavior to guess Trump's behavior doesn't work.
It is not that I don’t agree with you, but you do realize this means that Biden is to the right of Reagan and Bush Sr. Hardly someone who should be the Democratic choice.
Israel wasn't handed an excuse to commit genocide on Trump's watch. That's the only reason he looks better.
So it’s a trolley problem, but on one track you have genocide and on the other, you have a bigger genocide.
It’s amazing that people would rather yell at you to pull the lever instead of help you move stuff onto the tracks to stop the trolley.
I don't agree with the analogy but it's amazing that people think the best thing to do is nothing, aka not voting or "protest vote".
What do you think is inaccurate with that analogy? (Sure there’s other things on the tracks other than genocide, but genocide is certainly the biggest thing on there imo)
Most of the people I know who are voting for Claudia de la Cruz are also heavily politically active, not just in protests, but are speaking at city hall, volunteering for campaigns, and a couple are even running for office. People who are voting 3rd party know that it is nearly impossible, but flipping that lever and co-signing a genocide isn’t something that is a viable option to many people. Also, if trump is even a viable candidate in this system, we can agree that this system is broken, right?
I'm not going on with stupid analogies but I will point out many think Nader caused Gore to lose. What would the Overton window be if Gore won? Chow.
Is it a stupid analogy because you can’t explain why you think it’s inaccurate? I swear, liberals treat leftists like republicans treat democrats.
How about you get your guy to stop funding a genocide and maybe then he’ll become a more viable option to people?
Problem being the alternative would not exactly be pro Palestinian. Trump was the one to move the US embassy which had no value but pandering to Zionists.