These people sound like exact copies of the people saying voting in 2000 didn't matter, and that turned out to be the most politically consequential of my lifetime. Gore was imperfect as they all are, but holy fuck did Dubya fuck up literally everything he touched.

Among many, many, many things, Dubya started forever wars killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. He accelerated oil and gas production, absolutely setting the Climate Change world on a pace for disaster. He seated Alito, unquestionably the biggest monster currently on the Supreme Court. And he passed a monster tax cut for the rich that set us on this path of unrestrained deficit spending.

And that's just the headlines. Remember when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court? lol

Gen X already tried this 25 years ago and it fucked the world up so badly that we need to be saved by the future generations. Imagine not learning that lesson and doing it again.

There are legitimate criticisms to be had of Biden, but in every case, Trump is unambiguously worse. If Trump were pro-Palestine, I could maybe understand single-issue voters preferring him to Biden...but he's not.

To be honest, I have little hope for 2024. Genuine fake news is rampant, and in pretty much every case it hurts Biden (misinformation about the economy, etc.). I'll be voting a straight Dem ticket in my very red state, and hoping against all hope that uninformed voters somehow do the right thing.

I just can't wait for those of us in the queer community to either be thrown in camps or flee the company, all so that the people who didn't vote can tell me it's actually because of Biden.

A critical refinement of this point: By all means, please do vote for whichever actual progressive candidate you favor in your state's Democratic primary. This is not sarcasm; do it. But when the general election comes around Biden is inevitably the candidate anyway, do whatever it takes to keep Trump out of office.

You're right but a bunch of people just don't care anymore and I can't totally blame them. I'll be voting biden because I always vote, but this is on democrats 100% if they can't motivate their base.

I’d love to make a glib analogy like ‘my toast got burnt so I burned my house down and most of the neighbourhood’ but the literal fact that so many people are suffering makes that sort of thing rather tasteless.

I don’t think Biden is “Genocide Joe”. That’s ridiculous hyperbole which doesn’t help. We (the public) don’t know what kind of pressure is being levered in the background to end all the horrors of this situation.

People not voting Dem merely because of difficult historical relationships with Israel are dangerously deluded.

Reading these comments, it feels people are having a giant trolley problem moment. Do I vote for Biden and throw the switch so fewer people die, or do I not do it and let more people die, but at least I'm not complicit then?

I feel like posts like these always fail to realize how fucked of a situation US 'democracy' is in where you must vote for one shitty candidate because the other is literally a fascist.

Like no actually some people have decided that the entire system is untenable - they no there's a lesser of two evils, but they refuse to partake of an illegitimate system.

So maybe we need a third option. I don't know, maybe a candidate that isn't an evil geriatric white man that can barely finish a sentence?

it's not the responsibility of voters to vote for certain politicians, it's the responsibility of the politicians to represent people so they vote for them.

if you think joe biden is gonna lose then you gotta force joe biden to take more popular positions (he is literally running right now it's the time you make up your platform), not yell at people "refusing" to vote for him as if they are just petulant children refusing to eat their veggies and act like the most logical and rational option is locking your vote for joe biden and whoever disagrees just cannot understand the correctness of your reasoning.

(to be clear i'm not american but it's just ridiculous how many times i have heard this exact song and dance)

Tankies in tears over this, they can't handle the fact that they have to vote for Biden lmao

ITT: Right wing trolls pretend to be leftists.

You guys wouldn't have this clusterfuck if you just had a parliamentary system. Don't like the non-reactionary liberal candidate? Great, just vote for whoever else you like, and even if they don't win, they can still join efforts with the lesser evil to make sure the far right doesn't return to power. It also has the added benefit that it doesn't force the whole right wing of the country to cater to the rabid reactionaries on the rise, because those just make a different party that has to balance the distribution of their power with their less mad allies.

This feel like a shocked Pikachu meme where Biden is surprised the left despised him when the Democratic party does nothing at all progressive.

Don't forget the Deportation Force that's going to round up 11 million people and deport them. I wish I was joking.

I'm convinced if it wasn't the conflict in Palestine it would be some other issue that would prevent them from being able to "morally" support Biden.

Yes the conflict in Palestine is terrible, yes there are atrocities occuring, no I don't have any of the solutions.

There seem to be a subset of people that only want to see the negative in every aspect of life and this carries over to politicians/politics in general. The grass is forever more green elsewhere.

I recently asked a friend trapped in this bubble if they had seen the new Mario movie, as I attempt to avoid politics with them at this point in time, and I received the answer, "No, fuck Chris Pratt." I didn't bother asking why, but it seems that nearly ever aspect of life, except the ones they choose to conveniently ignore is reason for social outrage and some how it is "Biden's Fault," with complete disregard to what the alternative looks like.

But 3rd parties!!! Oh yes, because statistically splitting your vote between the only two groups with a chance of being elected to office is the "moral solution."

I don't ever want to hear about "harm reduction" from them again, when their "moral" decision results in women's healthcare being a literal afterthought and rights for a variety of marginalized communities being stripped away. 1,500 people a week are still dying from COVID in the U.S., but hey, let's help elect the party that wants to continue erroding any remaining social safety nets, because you know, people who get sick don't matter as much as this months zeitgeist of social outrage.

This should be a lovely comment section... I'll have to return with some nice warm dinner and a drink later.

I try to think that hopefully Trump would get stonewalled enough that he wouldn’t be able to get any of this done.

Then I realize that he seriously does not care. He doesn’t give a shit about Congress, or checks and balances. He and his party have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in the system of “law and order” that they cling so close to.

Who’s gonna stop him? His courts? An impeachment? Antifa gonna go out and storm Pennsylvania Ave and live up to their damn name, which somehow became an insult?

The fact that this man is on a ballot in any state is shameful. The GOP of just a dozen fucking years ago would have tossed him out on his ass in a second. Somehow since then, Romney, McCain, and Liz Cheney have become the sole voices of reason within the party. One got blackballed, one got censured, and the other one died.

If we don't at least pretend to be willing to wield our voting power to influence our govt, we might as well give up and accept we live in an oligarchy.

Sometimes just the threat of violence is enough to get people to act. Biden has already changed his administrations public stance and rhetoric towards Israel at merely the risk of losing votes. Ideally it would have been because of the loss of human lives, but beggars can't be choosers.

Yes, am agreeing that must not vote for Biden Genocide Joe. American President must be strong defender of freedoms like Trump, or like great president Putin.

Also, I am liberal sexually fluid college student who eats of many avocado toasts and demands money. Not voting Biden is shared by my many many friends of all races and economic class.

First of all, your system is broken. Second, what is a Palestinian American supposed to do? Biden is literally providing the ammunition to kill their families. Trump isn’t any better, but that doesn’t mean voting for another genocidal maniac is a viable option.

You asking Palestinian/Muslim Americans to simply look past that is a very self centered perspective. You say then people will be deported and thrown into camps. That’s what Palestinians were fleeing from in the first place. They fled before, they’ll do it again if they have to. They’re living in diaspora anyway. So do the millions of other Muslim Americans who are here because of Western geopolitics.

You on the other hand who try to bully them into voting for Biden because it serves your purpose, have nowhere to go. If you want progress for your country and you consider Biden only the lesser evil. Instead of bullying fellow Americans into serving your purpose, why don’t you focus on your common goal instead? Respect their opinion, support their cause.

Join their protests against Biden, pressurize him into stopping the genocide, pressurize the DNC into sending someone else as their presidential candidate.

If only there were more candidates to choose from than these two genocide lovers.

Are you telling me your democracy is held together with tape and needles ?

If I've learned anything from talking with disgruntled tankies it's that Biden controls the universe and singlehandedly killed all the dinosaurs after stubbing his little toe on a coffee table. The monster.

Seriously. I have a hunch that if Trump were president this would be happening regardless except he would be saying how people should be assaulting Palestinians or something like that.

Instead Palestinians have huge support from U.S. citizens, the non/anti-Zionist ones anyway.