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both sides have so much in common that, yes, they are the same. it's not like the choice is vanilla ice cream or a Michelin 8 course meal. it's vanilla or chocolate
Vanilla and chocolate are the same? Yes, in that they are flavors but are still distinctly different.
I don't want ice cream at all.
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It astounds me that people are both-siding this when one side are blatant, actual fascists.
It’s not vanilla vs chocolate, it’s vanilla vs ground roach and arsenic parfait.
I’m convinced that anyone equivocating them in 2024 either are in denial that the GOP was murdered and fascists are wearing its skin, or are actively promoting apathy in order to help them.
We need to push back hard against this narrative because, when fascism is on your doorstep, there is no such thing as moral neutrality.
>anyone equivocating
they don't need to be equal to both have fascists and both be unacceptable
Please see my reply to your other comment.
I’m not convinced you understand what fascism truly is and why it’s so dangerous. It’s not just things we don’t like politically – it’s a specific far right ideology that always leads to genocide. If you’re actually interested in politics, I beg you to learn what this means.
>I’m not convinced you understand what fascism truly is and why it’s so dangerous. It’s not just things we don’t like politically – it’s a specific far right ideology that always leads to genocide.
the absolute irony
You just keep giving me examples of how you don’t actually understand what fascism means.
I don’t agree with Biden either. I’m farther left than most democrats. But there’s a vast difference here, and you’re either being wilfully ignorant or divisive on purpose. I’m not able to take you seriously until you address the points in my other comment.
>I’m not able to take you seriously until you address the points in my other comment.
i did. you just didn't like it.
No you didn’t. Go back through that list and actually address each point, rather than throwing out a few examples that have little to do with anything I said.
Again, I agree that stuff is bad, but it’s not fascism. Fascism is a specific far-right ideology with specific hallmarks, it’s not just ‘shitty policy I don’t agree with’.
> Go back through that list and actually address each point,
don't be petulant.
Don’t be reductive.
# Don’t be reductive.
# Don’t be petulant.
>Go back through that list and actually address each point
literally demanding i deal with a gish gallop.
no.
It wasn’t a Gish gallop. It was a simple list of the hallmarks of fascism, with examples for each. It was stupidly easy to do, and it should be just as easy for you to rebut if your point has merit.
> it should be just as easy for you to rebut if your point has merit.
your framing is fallacious. of course there are differences between the republicans and democrats in rhetoric and policy, but both of them are fascist.
How, exactly? Your point was both sides are fascist. I disagreed, with the counterpoint that fascism means x, providing examples of republican fascism, and asking for examples of democrat fascism.
I’m challenging you to back up your original thesis. That’s literally how debate works.
>How, exactly?
i explain in the second half of the comment. i don't want to spoil the anticipation for you.
Restating your original incorrect thesis does not explain anything.
‘They’re both fascist.’
‘No they’re not, and here’s why, with examples. Please prove your point.’
‘Yes they are.’ <— this is not proof.
>That’s literally how debate works.
i'm not here to debate.
Then why are you arguing in a politics forum meant for that?
Good lord.
i don't care for argument at all. at any point you could have stopped.
i just want to stop the advance of fascism and discredit its enablers.
Wait – then why are you both-siding fascism?
What?!
i thought you were done.
>I agree that stuff is bad, but it’s not fascism.
wrong.
No u.
Since we’re apparently at that level of discussion now.
>when fascism is on your doorstep, there is no such thing as moral neutrality.
i couldn't agree more
>when one side are blatant, actual fascists.
that's the problem. the actual fascists are on both sides.
Please provide some examples.
I’m very interested in seeing the Democrats who are making overwhelming displays of nationalism that attract actual fascists (which democratic rallies are full of Nazi t-shirts and waving Nazi flags?).
Which Democrats are making thinly-veiled threats of genocide, demonising marginalised groups, and openly calling for concentration camps?
Do you have examples of Democrats banning books and passing laws that outlaw the teaching of objective history and science? Or at least calling objective reporting fake news, as they funnel their supporters to debunked tabloid outlets instead?
Which Democrats are pushing their religion as the only true authority? Where are Democrats trying to force their religion into social and legal policy?
Which Democrats have been attacking education and the arts as a corrupting and demonic influence on society? Which of them have called for legislation to stop the subversive influence of Sesame Street and Mr Potato head, as a random and hypothetical example?
I’d also love examples of Democrats trying to criminalise women’s rights, to the point that women are turned into walking coffins.
Which Democrats have vowed to jail their political opponents?
Finally, which Democrats have refused to concede elections, claiming they’re rigged and false? Which have tried to undermine public trust in democracy, to the point of telling people voting is pointless?
If you’re going to make a claim like that, you need to be able to back it up with evidence. I can do that for every single point of fascism that my questions are obviously based upon, and I’ll bet you can anticipate my examples without me needing to link them. It’s all very public and open in the GOP.
Final question: does your claim come from an understanding of real fascism, or are you using ‘fascism’ to mean ‘things I don’t like’.
One of those is wrong but relatively benign, and the other always leads to genocide.