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Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit
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Boo. All I want is fast as fuck transport. I don't see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult
Maintaining a vacuum over long distances is really fucking hard.
You'd be better served utilising existing rail infrastructure and improving that to make high speed trains possible.
Whole purposes of hyperloop was to derail any constructive debate on existing rail network. Pun intended. I’d say hyperloop was quite successful.
Small vaccum then. They managed to build a tunnel between France and England. Put people on the moon. Can do a lot
We do one thing. Must do other thing. Smart.
Why not just make a tunnel and forget the vacuum? It's just a subway system, but it's efficient
Edit: France & England might have dug a tunnel but Paris and London just have a subway. And train to move around the country.
Edit2: fixed wording
No it's literally a subway system. Putting trains in tunnels isn't something new or revolutionary, that's literally what subways are. And we've been doing it for over a hundred years.
People seem to be locked in on examples in the US of bad subways to mean subways inherently suck. But there are plenty of examples of perfectly working subways, which are highly efficient, comfortable and get you from A to B fast.
There are even places with subways that currently suck, but used to be very good. But car culture has meant rich people use their car and sit in gridlock, while the poor use the subway. This lead to a class difference and the richer class in power gutting funding for public transport. That is what makes it suck, not the principal of the thing.
Everything Elon says is new or revolutionary, usually isn't. The hyperloop (or vacuum train) concept isn't new either, I remember reading a book in the 80s where they had vacuum trains. And there are examples of the idea going back a hundred years or more. The hyperloop idea is so dumb, it can be debunked in a couple of minutes with some back of the envelope calculations. The power requirements alone would be huge. But hey slap some solar panels on that bad boy and it regenerates it's own power right, cause that's how anything works.
😂 That's what Muskrat wanted you to believe. Engineers and people with more than 2 brain cells have debunked the Hyperloop idea for years. Here's one of them from 7 years ago.
And even before that the Swiss seriously studied the possiblity and gave up.
Swiss are known for nazi gold and secret banks. Not really building infrastructure for the masses
Uh. Buddy. They absolutely are known for building a shitload of trains. There's the Gottard, which is the longest tunnel through a mountain, and I think also the steepest railtracks in the world?
You've never heard of swiss trains always being on time?
Japanese trains being on time. Never heard of swiss.
Haven't heard if their engineering prestige.
When I think swiss I think corruption and chocolate. Maybe watch makers too. Apologies
Well if you’ve never heard of it, then you must be right. Or it could be that maybe you have no clue what you’re talking about. No that couldn’t be it.
It blows my mind that you’ve never heard of Swiss engineering, but I guess the whole world is wrong since you’re clueless to it. Case closed.
He didn't even think of the cheese! I don't think he misses many mensa meetings
He's never even heard of those idiots.
He relented. No need to go so hard. Try to have some empathy, even if his approach was wrong.
That wasn’t me going hard. I was simply meeting their dismissiveness with sarcastic dismissiveness as a way to show them their faulty logic.
Knowing when to shut up and when to listen are valuable skills that a lot of people don't have.
Don't forget they're also known for cocaine!
telling me you've never been to switzerland without telling me you've never been to switzerland.
Lol wat?
Their train infrastructure is fucking amazing.
Leave your state.
So Japan has had maglev since the 90s. Explain?
Their Maglevs are not Hyperloops...
I'm aware. That wasn't the question
It is the answer to your question tho. Maglev is feasible, Hyperloop, not so much.
And even maglev is barely done because it's so expensive to build. Hyperloop is wrapping that same maglev train into a tube that should maintain a vacuum for kms on end, and pretty much every failure mode would end up being genuinely catastrophic.
They gave you the only answer your stupid question deserves.
Maglev=! Vacuum. Elon promised an existing technology inside a vacuum.
The vacuum is the hard part, not the maglev. You would need to enclose the entire track inside if a vacuum, and that world be ridiculously expensive and practically impossible with current technology. It's already very expensive to build a tunnel for a train, which is why they are avoided if possible. But this would need to be all tunnel that is air tight, so even more expensive than regular train tunnels.
To put it into perspective, the current largest manmade vacuum chamber is at a NASA research facility in Ohio. It's a cylinder with a diameter of 100 feet and a height of 122 feet. If this were laid on its side, about 1.5 New York subway cars could fit inside. The largest vacuum ever made can barely fit the vehicle inside, let alone allow it to travel between two different places where the extra speeds would be warranted.
Thunderf00t has many videos on the subject. I recommend checking them out. He's been calling out musk's bullshit for years, and is right every time.
But! It's just like an air hockey table! I swear it's not difficult! :P
It sounds pretty complicated, Elon!
Most engineering channels on YouTube. Guess thunderf00t has made progress recovering his public image.
He's always been an OG.
Such as ?
Keeping a vacuum in a big area is extremely inefficient and energy costly, because it is impossible not to have leaks.
A tube for 6-8 people doesn't come close to the capacity of a train.
During an emergency, the people in those tubes are stuck with no way to get out, unlike a train.
Hyperloop is basically a fancy looking but worse train in about every aspect.
Engage your brain please
How about a 35 minute video about it?
https://youtu.be/RNFesa01llk?si=haCoCDo5oc1Or8JT
Because maintaining a train length vacuum is really difficult and doesn't really provide that big of a benefit.
Atmospheric rail has been attempted with varying degrees of success (but never to a 'replaces traditional rail' degree) for 200 years.
I think you were being sarcastic with that last line and nobody caught it. Sorry mate.
Read the rest of their posts. It doesn't seem like they're being sarcastic.
Do you also believe the Moon is made from cheese?
Don't bother asking here, people on Lemmy blindly hate anything that has anything to do with Musk
There's a whole lot to not like though. Are you saying people aren't justified?
Then make it.